French young guys have question for you

[pocketboy]

Hello there,

My name is David, I'm a 19-years-old french student, so my apologizes for that poor and basics english language. (So, can you answer me with simple words please ?).

I'm starting bodybuilding about 6 months, I'm ectomorphic.

I know it's the "begin" but I really want to know everything to optimize my results, even the little of time I'm practising.

I did lot and lots of research to find a solution. The most popular of those ... "hardcore" solutions was steroid anabolic. But, it's a pretty "biatch" reason, but I really DON'T want the acne side effect etc, and the side effect are really ... scary !


Then, I turn my search into HGH ones, it seemes to be PERFECT for me :
Lean muscle gain, skin texture improvement (important for me) and sleep better (I always had sleep troubles). But I read that those over the counter thing are not very effective, isn't it ?

And found somes which have Real HGH in it composition (somatropin), like those two :
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/aly/work.html
http://www.flexivoice.net/hgh/

Another without Real HGH but its reviews are quite good is HEMOGEX (VPX) :
http://www.vpxsports.com/Hemogex.html

What do you think of those 3 products (honnestly) ? Can its help in (at least) one of my 3 "exigences" ? : lean muscle mass, sleep better, skin texture improvement ?
Is it crap or exceptions ?


I think that many of yours will tell me that it's not any effective HGH "booster" other than injections.

So, can you tell me (if you think there isn't other way) what would be the best HGH (name and link if you have) for me ?


I also saw that it's quite expensive (because of the longer of the cycle). So my mind "switch" into MGF, is it safe and cost effective ?


THANKS,

I DO really appreciate your help,

If your didn't burn your eyes with all my grammar mistakes, you'll probably genetically predestined to understand analphabet

[pocketboy]

I want to tell you, I fully read many many HGH posts, include the RedBaron HGH guide (very very good).

[PEWN]

i have nothing to say positvie here sorry buddy....

[pocketboy]

Does that mean you think it's ridiculous or it's another thing ?

(I don't undestand (my english is very poor))

[Gear]

Any supplment that you can buy in the shop which has HGH on it is no good, it certinly does no do what the real HGH does. If you are a beginner I would lay of the GH for now, it's the kind of drug you don't use straight away.

If I were you and really wanted a proper boost, I would use AAS (steroids), I know you would rather not but I don't think you have any choice in the matter if you are defenitly going to use something that will give you a "proper" boost. You can always use supplments, but they are not going to be as effective as AAS.

Furthermore, the best advice I can give you is to stay of the drugs period. You are only a beginner therefore you should train naturally for as long as possible, gain a lot of natrual strength and build a good natural physique before you start using anything that will give you a bit of a boost. You are also a bit young to be using drugs as well, especially HGH.

That's about all the advice I can give you for now.

Good luck.

-Gear

[pocketboy]

Yeah ! I believe you !

I read reviews about some "HGH" supplements, and they tell that their sleep was better, does it mean it's works ?

And you say

Any supplment that you can buy in the shop which has HGH on it is no good, it certinly does no do what the real HGH does

Does it means it won't be as strong as injection (but have some less effective effect) or they WON'T work at all ?

And about the insulin and/or the MGF, what are you advice ?

[ottomaddox]

Watch out you don't hurt yourself, your messing with some serious hormones.
Slow down buddy, if you can't grow natrally then experimenting with powerful compounds is not the answer. Research and stay natural and build a solid foundation upon which you can build.
Peace,
CR
p.s. Over the counter hgh products are CRAP. mostly containg deer antler and other homeopathic ingredients.

[Gear]

Yeah ! I believe you !

I read reviews about some "HGH" supplements, and they tell that their sleep was better, does it mean it's works ?

And you say

Does it means it won't be as strong as injection (but have some less effective effect) or they WON'T work at all ?

And about the insulin and/or the MGF, what are you advice ?

Believe me, do not rely on HGH supplments. They will not do anything for you. If those supplments really worked, then people would not be spending thousands of dollars more on injectible HGH. Real HGH (injectible HGH) does work, but it's expensive and is not the kind of drug beginners should use.

Insulin is also a very dangerous drug and is something beginners should not use. Going by your stats/experience, I would stay away from HGH/IGF/MGF/Insulin. As I said, I would train naturally for as long as possible. You are only 19, take advantage of what you can gain without using any kind of drugs, it will pay off down the track.

-Gear

[pocketboy]

Ok, so the insulin and/or MGF are quite dangerous in your opinion ?

I know almost all over counter HGH are crap, but I believe in some exceptions, the three I mentionned, perharps they are less effective than injection, but still have an effect.

The two in mention first both are REAL HGH :
Human Growth Hormone (Somatotropin) 30X
Human Growth Hormone (Somatotropin) 100X
Human Growth Hormone (Somatotropin) 200X
IGF-1 12C


Is it potent ? (because I don't know about the potency)

And I mailed a seller who tell me that HEMOGEX is 70% effective of injection, is it lie ?

[Gear]

pocketboy,

I can see the picture you have in your head. You are under the impression that a few cycles of HGH/AAS etc will make you look like a bodybuilder. Believe me, it's not as easy as that. Even though all those bodybuilders use a lot of drugs themselves, there is a lot more to it like their diet, training, genetics, years of lifting weights, rest and I am sure many of started of training naturally. There is so much more to building a good body than just taking drugs.

-Gear

[pocketboy]

How, I didn't see your comment Gear.

I know that HGH injection are expensive, but you have very high dose because you want amazing result.

But I don't expect this supplement have this effect, I'm not a dreamer. but perharps it will improve my skin and sleep.


And about supplement, I'll probably post a thread with my "own ultimate stack", could you have a look on it ? I'll PM you first ... erf I don't have the permission ...

[Gear]

Ok, so the insulin and/or MGF are quite dangerous in your opinion ?

I know almost all over counter HGH are crap, but I believe in some exceptions, the three I mentionned, perharps they are less effective than injection, but still have an effect.

The two in mention first both are REAL HGH :
Human Growth Hormone (Somatotropin) 30X
Human Growth Hormone (Somatotropin) 100X
Human Growth Hormone (Somatotropin) 200X
IGF-1 12C


Is it potent ? (because I don't know about the potency)

And I mailed a seller who tell me that HEMOGEX is 70% effective of injection, is it lie ?

I am not sure how to get my point across to you without sounding techincal because if I started getting techincal you will not understand. So, the best way to put it is, supplment HGH is no good when compared to real HGH, that is the truth of the matter.

Does supplment HGH work? Do you mean will it build muscle? Does it do the same thing as real HGH? Does it have an effect that will benefit you for what you want to achieve? The answer is no no and no. I don't even believe supplment HGH will give you minor gains, I really believe this type of supplment is a waste of time and money.

If someone else can add something please do.

-Gear

[pocketboy]

OH, ok, I thought it will help, but I trust you.

How can I contact you for advice about my stack ?

[Gear]

How, I didn't see your comment Gear.

I know that HGH injection are expensive, but you have very high dose because you want amazing result.

Supplment HGH works totally differently to real HGH. Supplment HGH does not bring benefits that real HGH does. I honestly believe supplment HGH does not bring any benefits at all, defenitly no major benefits anyway.

But I don't expect this supplement have this effect, I'm not a dreamer. but perharps it will improve my skin and sleep.

You want good skin? Buy pro-active. You want to sleep better? There are better solutions.

And about supplement, I'll probably post a thread with my "own ultimate stack", could you have a look on it ? I'll PM you first ... erf I don't have the permission ...

Yes ofcourse I will look at your thread and comment on it. I hope it all goes well for you.

-Gear

[Gear]

OH, ok, I thought it will help, but I trust you.

How can I contact you for advice about my stack ?

This is just my opinion. But you will find that most people will agree with me and say supplment HGH is a waste of time and is not the same real HGH.

You can not send PMs til you have a minimum of 25 posts. So why don't you do a bit of research and post a few times as well. Ask a few questions, add a few comments in threads and once you've done that contact me and we can go from there.

-Gear

[pocketboy]

just to talk about Steroid again,
Does it exist, even if it don't have the better muscle gain, which is acne increasement free side effect ?

[PEWN]

This is just my opinion. But you will find that most people will agree with me and say supplment HGH is a waste of time and is not the same real HGH.

You can not send PMs til you have a minimum of 25 posts. So why don't you do a bit of research and post a few times as well. Ask a few questions, add a few comments in threads and once you've done that contact me and we can go from there.

-Gear

gear i knew very little about hgh until i started reading your post... now every time i see you post something i click right in it... Not kissing ass just giving credit where it is due..

[ottomaddox]

A few years ago I worked at a supplement store and we sold that otc hgh crap. I would laugh everytime I sold one to some old guy chassing the fountain of youth. $80.00 in my pocket and a bottle of deer antler for you sir.
Hope you enjoy your results. ha ha ha ha. Do some research and don't believe everything you read on the internet, especially if someone is trying to sell you something.

Explaining homeopathic HGH:
What does 10X or 20C dilution mean in the ingredient list for a homeopathic remedy?
The number represents how many stages of dilutions are performed and the letter (X or C) represents how diluted the solution is in each stage. The "X" after a the number represents a 10 time dilution. The "C" after the number represents a 100 times dilution. So, let's say you had a homeopathic product that had a 10C dilution of HGH. Just to keep things simple let's assume you are using a bucket which holds 100 ounces. Here are the steps to produce the 10C solution of HGH:

Step 1: The first step would be to put 1 ounce of human growth hormone (HGH) into 99 ounces of water. You then mix this solution - and you have just done your first dilution.

Step 2: You take 1 ounce of that diluted substance from Step 1 and put it into 99 ounces of water. This is what the "C" stands for - you are doing a 100 times dilution in each step. Mix the solution.

Step 3: You take 1 ounce of that diluted substance from Step 2 and put it into 99 ounces of water. Mix the solution.

Step 4: You take 1 ounce of that diluted substance from Step 3 and put it into 99 ounces of water. Mix the solution.

This continues on in the same manner until you reach Step 10 - your 10th level dilution.

So, what do you end up with in the end...

A solution that is 10-20 HGH.

Or, our 100 ounce bucket of solution in the 10th stage would be made of:

.000000000000000000001 ounces of HGH and 99.999999999999999999999 ounces of water

[PEWN]

.000000000000000000001 ounces of HGH and 99.999999999999999999999 ounces of water

hell i can sell that ......

[pocketboy]

Lol, what's a trap, so the less "X" and "C" is, the "better" is it ?

[pocketboy]

Ideally, how many "X" must will be to have a "effective" product ?

[cj1capp]

look you are just 19 years old i would train until i was a at least 22 untill i would even consider AAS or hgh. your hgh levels dont begin to decline significantly until 25.

[pocketboy]

Ok.

Another question, I saw some "anti-cortisol", are they effective ? dangerous ?
What's are their function ?

For my sleep trouble, I found that : http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/9...an-dreams.html

what do you think of that ?

[longhorn814]

wow bro, youve only been training for six months, you do NOT need any steroids, HGH, insulin, IGF, etc..you need to learn how to train and eat properly to grow. Diet and training are everything. If you cant gain naturally at your age, you wont get much out of steroids, HGH, etc...go to the diet forum and start reading there

[Titleist]

wow bro, youve only been training for six months, you do NOT need any steroids, HGH, insulin, IGF, etc..you need to learn how to train and eat properly to grow. Diet and training are everything. If you cant gain naturally at your age, you wont get much out of steroids, HGH, etc...go to the diet forum and start reading there

This is all the advice you need, pocketprotector.

Stay away from steroids and peptides, period. Do NOT look for the quick fix, there isn't one.

As everyone already said, legal HGH supps are garbage.

You need to stay far away from Insulin.

Focus mainly on your diet and training intense.

Buy some whey protein, a weightgainer, and a multi-vitamin.

Simple equation (lots of "healthy")Food + (Intense)Training = Muscle Growth.

[pocketboy]

Yeah, I understand.

Thanks all of yours.

Please go on my new thread, and give me your opinion.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=310430

[cj1capp]

i left you my thoughts. at your other thread.

[Gear]

gear i knew very little about hgh until i started reading your post... now every time i see you post something i click right in it... Not kissing ass just giving credit where it is due..

Thank you.

-Gear

[Zelos]

L'hormone de croissance à ton age , c'est un vrai suicide !
De plus ne pense pas que ce soit le produit miracle , sans steroides , à ton age tu n'auras strictement aucun résultat !
Dernier point , j'espere pour toi que tu as un gros portefeuille , car cela risque de te couter trés trés cher .
En résumé , pour une personne qui débute , il n'y a pas 36 solutions : manger , dormir et s'entrainer serieusement pendant qques années

[goin on 4T]

Wtf?