Should I flush my lil Brothers PH's down the toliet?

[Mogamedogz]

Can SD safely, and effectively be stacked with either 1-ad or 4-ad? If so, what is the reccomended dosage?

My little brother is about to start eating 1-ad with his Oxevol, because he said the Oxevol (SD I guess) is not doing shit. There is no talking him out of it.

How dangerous is this?

Should I flush his shit down the toilet while he is in class or what??

Sorry, but I dont know ZIP about SD or 1-ad (outside of what I read in the stickies here). I tried the search, but I couldnt find anything about either of these (1-ad or 4-AD) stacked with SD.

Sorry for the re-post... but the other thread title was not flasy enough I guess, and I really need some advice. I feel extremely guilty, because I know the only reason he does PH's, is because he watched me do them a few years ago (before finding AR and making the jump last year). Problem is, he refuses to listen to me when I tell him that stacking orals can be dangerous...

His response...

"Go stick a needle in your ass... I'll take my chances with the pills!"

What to do... What to do...

[PEWN]

stick him in his sleep.... loll


no no do not do that sorry....

[m8intl]

How long has he been on SD for? Some ppl don't make good gains until the third week.

I wouldn't flush the 1-ad, but I also wouldn't let him take it. Steal it for the time being, and give it back to him after he's wrapped pct (assuming he won't jump right back on again).

[Mogamedogz]

How long has he been on SD for? Some ppl don't make good gains until the third week.

I wouldn't flush the 1-ad, but I also wouldn't let him take it. Steal it for the time being, and give it back to him after he's wrapped pct (assuming he won't jump right back on again).

I think he has been on for like 2 weeks... at like 30mg's a day (don't know how many mg's are in a pill, but he takes 3 a day; started off at 2).

Thought about hiding the 1-ad, that's actually a good idea. He is going to give me a bunch of shit for it... But considering im letting him stay at my house for the summer (rent free), I guess he cant really do much about it... That, PLUS I can kick his ass! lol-

Can the 1-ad/SD combo do any "immediate" harm to him? Or is it more of a long term thing?

For all I know he has already started taking them. He mentioned it a couple of days ago, and the 1-ad bottle was left over from another cycle, so it was already opened. It's impossible for me to know how many caps were in it.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

FLUSH IT!
especially since he stays with you for free.

these OTC things are NASTY. SD killed some guys kidneys, there was even a medical report on it. he used the recomended dose and everything. That guy probably needs dialysis now!
Second, MY LIL bro just did a Max Lmg cycle, not even a methlylated oral, and his liver enzymes are THROUGH the roof! Im all worried now and i gotta take benadryle to sleep at night cuz of the guilt that stirs in me, cuz i told him that Max Lmg is not methlyated, and therefore most likely safer than any oral he could get elsewhere. Well these damn NEW STEROIDs that are OTC have no medical lit behind them. Testosterone, nandrolone, oxandrolone, etc, all have time tested safety as they have been used in the medical community for years. FVCK these OTC stuff. They aint safe! I wont feel good till we see the doctor and what he says.
Flush it! hes your bro! dont live in guilt!

[Merc..]

FLUSH IT!
especially since he stays with you for free.

these OTC things are NASTY. SD killed some guys kidneys, there was even a medical report on it. he used the recomended dose and everything. That guy probably needs dialysis now!
Second, MY LIL bro just did a Max Lmg cycle, not even a methlylated oral, and his liver enzymes are THROUGH the roof! Im all worried now and i gotta take benadryle to sleep at night cuz of the guilt that stirs in me, cuz i told him that Max Lmg is not methlyated, and therefore most likely safer than any oral he could get elsewhere. Well these damn NEW STEROIDs that are OTC have no medical lit behind them. Testosterone, nandrolone, oxandrolone, etc, all have time tested safety as they have been used in the medical community for years. FVCK these OTC stuff. They aint safe! I wont feel good till we see the doctor and what he says.
Flush it! hes your bro! dont live in guilt!

GOOD positing right there !!!!

[Mogamedogz]

FLUSH IT!
especially since he stays with you for free.

these OTC things are NASTY. SD killed some guys kidneys, there was even a medical report on it. he used the recomended dose and everything. That guy probably needs dialysis now!
Second, MY LIL bro just did a Max Lmg cycle, not even a methlylated oral, and his liver enzymes are THROUGH the roof! Im all worried now and i gotta take benadryle to sleep at night cuz of the guilt that stirs in me, cuz i told him that Max Lmg is not methlyated, and therefore most likely safer than any oral he could get elsewhere. Well these damn NEW STEROIDs that are OTC have no medical lit behind them. Testosterone, nandrolone, oxandrolone, etc, all have time tested safety as they have been used in the medical community for years. FVCK these OTC stuff. They aint safe! I wont feel good till we see the doctor and what he says.
Flush it! hes your bro! dont live in guilt!

Good enough for me... Im gonna flush that shit tomorrow while he is in class.


(WOW...did SD really screw some guys Kidneys up!!?? I have a few friends that use the stuff too. Maybe I should warn them about it.)

[bulldawg_28]

Before you flush his shit be sure he's got pct lined up.

[Mogamedogz]

Before you flush his shit be sure he's got pct lined up.

Yeah... no worries there. I have plenty on hand (for myself). lol-

[PEWN]

Yeah... no worries there. I have plenty on hand (for myself). lol-

smart man...

[bulldawg_28]

Actually, I think you should keep the shit for yourself. A 1-ad and SD stack sounds like it'd be a great stack.

[Mogamedogz]

Actually, I think you should keep the shit for yourself. A 1-ad and SD stack sounds like it'd be a great stack.

No way man! I dont do the PH stuff anymore. I've "moved on".

I have friends who still use them, maybe I'll offer them the stuff. I just dont want my little brother messing with it. I'd feel too guilty if something happened. He is at that "I dont give a fvck" age (22).

[Juicy J]

how old is your bro, i started ph's when i was 13

[Mogamedogz]

how old is your bro, i started ph's when i was 13

He's 23. Im not worried about his age, so much as I am the damage that taking sd AND 1-ad together would do to him. He seems to think its no big deal.


I couldnt flush them, because I have no idea where he is storing them. I went through his shit, but I couldnt find them, and he is not about to willingly hand them over.

[Juicy J]

is it the 1-ad from advanced muscle science, if so it shouldn't do shit

[Big]

how old is your bro, i started ph's when i was 13

I hope that's a joke, but if not, I'm curious, have you had bloodwork done?

[Juicy J]

no joke bro, i was young and dumb, never had bloodwork, never went to a doctor or anything. I'm 21 now, just turned 22 today and a lot smarter, i was the biggest kid in jr high though lol

[Mogamedogz]

is it the 1-ad from advanced muscle science, if so it shouldn't do shit

Its from Ergo Pharm. It's the real deal. The Sd is called Oxevol. I think it's a clone (maybe not as strong as the og stuff).

[nyjetsfan86]

dont flush them mail them to me

[Mogamedogz]

dont flush them mail them to me

Cant get them. The little phuck stashes them. Im sure he is popping ATLEAST Two Oxevols (which i think is 10mg of SD) and Two caps of 1-ad every day. I just hope he doesnt seriously get hurt. My mom would blame me for it (rightfully so).

At this point, im more concerned with the possible things he is at risk for. If anyone has any info on these products (stacked together) please break it down for me.

Atleast when im preeching to him, I will sound like I know what im talking about.

Right now, all I got is... "Are you crazy!!! Your going to fvck yourself up bad!!!" But I have ZERO to offer him in specifics.

[perfectbeast2001]

The guy is 23, hes old enough to make his own mistakes. If that was me and you flushed my stuff we would have issues.

[bulldawg_28]

For one, he's more than likely gonna have libido issues without any source of test. Other than that, his cholesterol will be affected more so than just running SD, as well as elevated liver enzymes.

Honestly bro, if I were in your position. I'd let him make his own decision. What I would do though is to help him with pct, and get his ass on some supporting supps during, and post cycle. Also have him get bloodwork when the cycle is over.

Cant get them. The little phuck stashes them. Im sure he is popping ATLEAST Two Oxevols (which i think is 10mg of SD) and Two caps of 1-ad every day. I just hope he doesnt seriously get hurt. My mom would blame me for it (rightfully so).

At this point, im more concerned with the possible things he is at risk for. If anyone has any info on these products (stacked together) please break it down for me.

Atleast when im preeching to him, I will sound like I know what im talking about.

Right now, all I got is... "Are you crazy!!! Your going to fvck yourself up bad!!!" But I have ZERO to offer him in specifics.

[Mogamedogz]

The guy is 23, hes old enough to make his own mistakes. If that was me and you flushed my stuff we would have issues.

I know that's easy to say... But come'on man, it's my brother!! I dont want to see anything crazy happen to him just because he is an IMMATURE 23. If it werent for him watching me take the stuff a few years back, he would never even know they exsisted.

I dont really know about SD (it came along after I stopped using PH's), but I heard that it is some pretty harsh shit. Stacking it with 1-ad cant be good.

He IS gaining really well on the shit, so i cant imagine he is going to not finish out the cycle.

As far as suport supps go... He is pretty good about that. Takes all the Milk Thistle, Nacin... Hawthorne blah...blah...blah...

I have no idea what type of PCT to suggest for him durning (should he be running nolva??) or after this. Im pretty sure he will try to run some over the counter crap like Tribulus.

My bigger concern, is that he dont drop dead from some crazy heart problem or something... Again, excuse my ignorance, but I dont know much about these compounds when stacked together.

[Mogamedogz]

For one, he's more than likely gonna have libido issues without any source of test. Other than that, his cholesterol will be affected more so than just running SD, as well as elevated liver enzymes.

Honestly bro, if I were in your position. I'd let him make his own decision. What I would do though is to help him with pct, and get his ass on some supporting supps during, and post cycle. Also have him get bloodwork when the cycle is over.

Appriciate the help man. This is the type of response im trying to get.

What kind of PCT should I have him run after this shit?? Nolva/Comid? I have some on hand for myself, but will likely need to order some more if I need to set him up.

BTW: Dont SD and 1-AD both convert to Test once ingested? (again forgive my ignorance on them. Especially the SD).

[Juicy J]

forget the 1-ad, the superdrol is what i would worry about. with that being said, he's 23, if i were u i would be happy he waited that long to use them, just help him with pct

[Juicy J]

nolva would be excellent though

[dupa95]

I always ran a 60/40/20 tamox worked just find.My boys always plumped back up. Did 3 sd cycles

[Mogamedogz]

nolva would be excellent though

Should I give him some Nolva to run throughout the next couple of weeks (maybe 20/ed), and then reccomend Nolva/Clomid for pct.

Honestly...if lack of sex a drive is the biggest thing he has to be concerned about... Than thats on him, and he gets what he deserves.

Im just more concerned with and dangerous effects of stacking these two compounds. I dont want him to drop dead from some crazy heart or BP problem.

[Juicy J]

I always ran a 60/40/20 tamox worked just find.My boys always plumped back up. Did 3 sd cycles

do that

[Bradly1234]

i know Oxevol is the real deal, it may not be as potient as the real sd but it is a damn good sub. this could raise his bp dramatically, so will 1-ad, both combined is not a good idea. 4-ad would be much better but if it were my little brother i would beat his ass just because he is being stupid, hence "beat some sence into you".

[Mogamedogz]

i know Oxevol is the real deal, it may not be as potient as the real sd but it is a damn good sub. this could raise his bp dramatically, so will 1-ad, both combined is not a good idea. 4-ad would be much better but if it were my little brother i would beat his ass just because he is being stupid, hence "beat some sence into you".

I have actually been combing through the search engine, and found out that this stack is not as bad as I thought. i may be overracting a bit.

Actually, if he ADDS the 4-ad to the scak he may even be better off, as it should help fight the sides.

Hopefully some clomid/nolva will help him out PC.

If anyone else has experience with the stuff, or can weigh in with some info... please do so. I like to have some solid ammo to spew in his direction every night (we work out together).

[Bradly1234]

good pct never hurts anyone lol

[Renesis]

The guy is 23, hes old enough to make his own mistakes. If that was me and you flushed my stuff we would have issues.

PB do you have a little bro? Because if you don't then you have no idea.... Your little bro will ALWAYS be your LITTLE BRO no matter if your 20years old or 80. Watching your younger brother who is part of your flesh and blood is just as bad if not worse than hurting yourself by taking things without any knowledge of what they can do to your body.

[Mogamedogz]

PB do you have a little bro? Because if you don't then you have no idea.... Your little bro will ALWAYS be your LITTLE BRO no matter if your 20years old or 80. Watching your younger brother who is part of your flesh and blood is just as bad if not worse than hurting yourself by taking things without any knowledge of what they can do to your body.

4 sure...

If anyon else has any experience with this stack, and/or proper pct for it. Please weigh in. He is in his third week.

Told me tonight his sex drive is HURTING But other than that he said he feels fine. (Although im sure his liver would probably disagree).

[bulldawg_28]

I'd use nolva, clomid, and a little myogenx for pct.

I've ran 1-ad before (when I was 17, stupid move I know), and used 60x0 during the cycle and for pct along w/ zma.

[Mogamedogz]

I'd use nolva, clomid, and a little myogenx for pct.

I've ran 1-ad before (when I was 17, stupid move I know), and used 60x0 during the cycle and for pct along w/ zma.

Do you know what the dosage is on the myogenx?? I've never used the stuff but I heard it works wonders for boosting test levels.

Should he front load it like the clomid/nolva and then taper it off?

[bulldawg_28]

9 caps ed for the myo.

As for the nolva I'd do 40/20/20.

I've never used clomid before, so I'll let someone else reccomend the dosages.

[Mogamedogz]

9 caps ed for the myo.

As for the nolva I'd do 40/20/20.

I've never used clomid before, so I'll let someone else reccomend the dosages.

Im cool with the Nolva/clomid dosages. I just needed the the myo dose, because I have never used it myself. tx man.

[slayer1983]

give them to me