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    Cycle/Diet Advice, EXPERTS only please.

    Hi everyone,

    I am 22y.o, I weigh 202pounds @ 17/18% bodyfat.
    I am about 5ft 7. I have never used AAS before.
    Training, 4 times a week, based on compound movements with some direct
    exercises thrown in. I have been researching AAS for about 14 months now.

    I am looking at starting my first cycle, with goals:
    -Loose fat.
    -Gain lean mass.
    - Preserve lean mass that I already have.

    Here is my cycle plan:
    The cycle:
    Weeks 1-3 Winstrol 50mg/day
    Weeks 6-8 Winstrol 50mg/day (total 6 weeks.)
    Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/every other day
    Weeks 1+2 Clenbuterol Pyramid scheme.
    Weeks 5+6 Clenbuterol Pyramid scheme. MCG per day 20/20/20/40/40/40/60/60/60 (total 4 weeks.)
    Weeks 1-8 Proviron 50mg/day

    PCT:
    Week 9 40mg/day nolvadex
    Week 10 30mg/day nolvadex
    Week 11 20mg/day nolvadex
    Week 12 10mg/day nolvadex

    I have some questions:

    The steroids: I have got the steroids in sachet form, how do i transfer it from the sachet to a needle/vial, my training partner tried it on his packet with a 23g needle, it simply didn't work?



    Clen: Is there a problem with running the Clen for another 2 weeks during PCT?

    Diet: As my goal is to lose fat and put on muscle, I must strike a balance in terms of calories. Should I keep the calories slightly higher, but very clean? Or keep them low? How will this affect my goals of loose fat/gain lean muscle/ preserve muscle? I already hope to be eating 7 high protein meals a day.


    Other than that, is there anything I have missed, any other relevant considerations?

    Thanks!
    Last edited by EatLiftSleep; 09-22-2007 at 11:04 PM.

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    you have been researching for 14months.. and you dont know when to take your aas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    you have been researching for 14months.. and you dont know when to take your aas?
    good point.... but then again im not an EXPERT so i shouldn't be postin here

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    No, i know when to take, but I have conflicting opinions relative to the half-lives etc.

    Trust me, I've done the research.
    I just need some final words of advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatLiftSleep
    Steroid timing: I need help with timing, when is the best time to take each steroid?
    Quote Originally Posted by EatLiftSleep
    No, i know when to take
    Sorry, I'm no expert either. Bump for an expert...

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    Guys, i didn't mean to offend by saying experts only.
    Perhaps I should have wrote experienced users....as opposed to
    newbies or first timers (like myself.)

    If anyone has a POSITIVE contribution, I wouldn't mind it.

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    i think you should post ur injection schedule and let us comment on it...

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    PM Ross, Expert

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    uve already said that you were doin the winny 50mgs/day and the test prop 100mgs/ EOD... so whats ur question with the schedulin here??

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    Ok first post edited.
    I actually don't really need help with timing, I just asked the question
    as an extra precaution.

    I DO really need help with these damn sachets, as well as tweaking my diet.

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    ALSO, the Clen during PCT. Yay or nay.

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    Ok Sachets issue has been resolved.

    Only thing is diet now, any diet advice relative to my goals?

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    That is your first cycle???

    My first cycle was testosterone cypionate once a week injection, followed by nolva/clomi... Have you ever injected before, because doing every other day injections wouldnt be a fun thing to do for me. I still get nervous with my weekly one... Why are you using clen on your first cycle, why not concentrate on eating well, use AAS and bulk up... Rather than complicate things by trying to build mass AND lose fat...Chances are your diet and training will have to be spot on to get that plan to work... I dont know about your choice of using Winstrol and why your taking it like that, but that seems to me to be 350mg/week of test, and 350mg/week of winstrol... I wouldnt really use winstrol unless I was trying to do a cutting cycle in any case... The whole thing looks overly complicated for a first cycle, your body fat seems higgh, your weight is decent, so since yourve never used AAS before, I would probably not start with a cutting cycle, you can lose plenty of fat by eating right on a simpler cycle. Your PCT seems quite basic, and I think you should wait 1-2 weeks until after your last shot to start it, say week 10 should be PCT... Reason is, you will sttill have prop and winstrol in your system... You can run clen whenever you want, it really has nothing to do with your cycle, its just a way to burn more calories. I advise you to drop the clen all together though... This is the kind of cycle I would expect someone to take if they had been doing cycles for the past year, and had a contest they had to prepare for quickly.. If your a beginner, take things slow, do it simply... Whats the rush? Dont you want to understand how each compound works and master using it rather than just dive in the deep end and mess everything up...

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    22 yrs. old?

    I would hold off a few years. Your body is not done growing, yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pr0digy9daniel
    That is your first cycle???

    My first cycle was testosterone cypionate once a week injection, followed by nolva/clomi... Have you ever injected before, because doing every other day injections wouldnt be a fun thing to do for me. I still get nervous with my weekly one... Why are you using clen on your first cycle, why not concentrate on eating well, use AAS and bulk up... Rather than complicate things by trying to build mass AND lose fat...Chances are your diet and training will have to be spot on to get that plan to work... I dont know about your choice of using Winstrol and why your taking it like that, but that seems to me to be 350mg/week of test, and 350mg/week of winstrol... I wouldnt really use winstrol unless I was trying to do a cutting cycle in any case... The whole thing looks overly complicated for a first cycle, your body fat seems higgh, your weight is decent, so since yourve never used AAS before, I would probably not start with a cutting cycle, you can lose plenty of fat by eating right on a simpler cycle. Your PCT seems quite basic, and I think you should wait 1-2 weeks until after your last shot to start it, say week 10 should be PCT... Reason is, you will sttill have prop and winstrol in your system... You can run clen whenever you want, it really has nothing to do with your cycle, its just a way to burn more calories. I advise you to drop the clen all together though... This is the kind of cycle I would expect someone to take if they had been doing cycles for the past year, and had a contest they had to prepare for quickly.. If your a beginner, take things slow, do it simply... Whats the rush? Dont you want to understand how each compound works and master using it rather than just dive in the deep end and mess everything up...
    Thanks for the reply.
    Some good insight there.
    The reason I've included that winny is because I'm happy with my size at the moment (for this year anyway.) I'd like to get down to a low body-fat before starting an all out bulk cycle with heaps of water retention to worry about. So this really is a cutting cycle, I'm after more definition. If I get bigger, it is a bonus.

    Thanks for the input, appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primalinstinct
    22 yrs. old?

    I would hold off a few years. Your body is not done growing, yet.
    I thought you're done growing at 21?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatLiftSleep
    I thought you're done growing at 21?
    Most are not. I'd say 25. Still, it has little to do as to whether or not you are ready for AAS.

    Going by the BF% you are posting, you have diet issues to get into check before you take such a strong substance, anyway.

    You are nowhere near in need of steroids, my friend.

    I didn't do my first cycle until I was 37.

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    Post your diet in the diet forum for critique... it is likely you could make great gains, quickly, without AAS if you fix your diet.

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