Natty Test has doubled! LH high

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 03:29 PM

Back ground info: 25 years old, Got off cycle about 6 months ago, did pct of nolva, got a blood test 3 months after last injection, T levels low at around 225.

Decided to do another pct, of nolva and exem to try to bring my levels back up. (felt like shit, wanted to get better)

I just got my blood results, test total shot up to 438 (in normal range of 260-1000) and test free is 89.9 (in normal range of 50-210)

over all, i am pleased, but wish to be higher. Still feel that 438 is low for a 25 year old, but I do not know my pre steroid levels.

My LH is high, at 10.4 (1.5-9.3 is normal), and FSH is at 5.4 (1.6-8.0)

Do I need to be worried about high LH levels??
Do you think I can get my test levels any higher, or is this as good as its going to get? (might be impossible to answer)

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

Back ground info: 25 years old, Got off cycle about 6 months ago, did pct of nolva, got a blood test 3 months after last injection, T levels low at around 225.

Decided to do another pct, of nolva and exem to try to bring my levels back up. (felt like shit, wanted to get better)

I just got my blood results, test total shot up to 438 (in normal range of 260-1000) and test free is 89.9 (in normal range of 50-210)

over all, i am pleased, but wish to be higher. Still feel that 438 is low for a 25 year old, but I do not know my pre steroid levels.

My LH is high, at 10.4 (1.5-9.3 is normal), and FSH is at 5.4 (1.6-8.0)

Do I need to be worried about high LH levels??
Do you think I can get my test levels any higher, or is this as good as its going to get? (might be impossible to answer)

Have you seen my blood work sticky?? It should be helpful to you..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=254423

438 ng is in range on your test.. You have been off cycle 6months?? What compounds did you use??

Merc.

**kfrost06** · 09-24-2007, 03:50 PM

There are so many variables to your test levels and it depends on the peptide hormone GnRH(gonadotropin-releasing hormone). The release of GnRH is seasonal (peaks in the spring), circadian (highest testosterone levels are in the a.m.) and pulsatile (peaks occur every 90-120 minutes). Your levels of test will change through out the day and the season. Somethings that naturally increase testosterone are working out(e.g. squats, deadlifts), increased sunlight, steady 8hrs. sleep a night and a healthy diet, include suppliments like zinc, etc. other random things are abstinence from sex(unrealistic but proven

). GL

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Merc.

Have you seen my blood work sticky?? It should be helpful to you..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=254423

438 ng is in range on your test.. You have been off cycle 6months?? What compounds did you use??

Merc.

I did a 12 week cycle of Test E at 400mg per week. Dbol 1-5 week at 50mgs per day.

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 05:06 PM

I have been off since April 20, 2007.

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 05:11 PM

Are you still taking any nolva?? ( nolva can increase LH)

Merc.

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 05:14 PM

Yes I am, and I was on nolva when I had this test. Should I stop?

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 05:16 PM

I have been on nolva and exem for almost 2 months

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 05:17 PM

you have been off cycle for 6 months and ran 2 pcts ..

No need to use nolva at this point !!!!

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 05:17 PM

Do you think being on pct any longer could bring my levels up any higher, or is it safe to say this is going to be my natty level?

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 05:22 PM

About 2 months ago, my test levels were at 240ish, and I posted on here, basically complaining about this.

I was told to do a second PCT, incorporating nolva and Exem, which did have a positive effect of my T levels. I really wanted to get my natty test levels as high as they could be, before I even thought about doing another cycle.

Actually, before I got this test result today, my doctor wanted to put me on HRT!!! I think this score of 438 ruined my chances! But I would feel better producing my own test, at least for now...

**kfrost06** · 09-24-2007, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

Do you think being on pct any longer could bring my levels up any higher, or is it safe to say this is going to be my natty level?

It is no longer your natty levels, you are taking nolva to increase it. There is no need to run a pct that long, IMHO.

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 05:30 PM

Ok, so basically when I stop nolva, my levels may fall back down?

**Atomini** · 09-24-2007, 05:53 PM

What was your dose per day on the nolva?

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 06:23 PM

20-30mgs ED

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 06:28 PM

Yea just stop taking the nolva and give it a little bit of time and go get re-tested ..

Merc.

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 06:37 PM

should I continue to take the exemastine?

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 06:38 PM

If levels go down then hrt may be my only option, if levels stay or go up, the I can either stay natural or do a cycle and monitor levels after that pct??

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 06:39 PM

My doctor wanted to put me on hrt, I didnt even ask him, i was shocked. But I would rather my my levels be at 700-800...

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

should I continue to take the exemastine?

Stop the aromasin as well

Merc.

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 06:43 PM

Ok, I will stop both of them today.

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 06:48 PM

I would stop the nolva and aromasin( like we discussed ) give it some time and go get your blood work done again..

You are young .. HRT is for life (in most cases).. Its alot different when you wanna do a cycle , than having to inject yourself for the rest of your life just to feel normal.. I say weigh all your options before jumping on HRT..

Merc.

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 06:54 PM

Yea I hear you. I could handle being at the level now, but if it goes back to the low 200s, then I feel like I would be suffering.

If my levels stay around 400-450, in about another few weeks, is it safe to do another cycle?

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

Yea I hear you. I could handle being at the level now, but if it goes back to the low 200s, then I feel like I would be suffering.

If my levels stay around 400-450, in about another few weeks, is it safe to do another cycle?

You have been off for over 6 months .. If your blood work comes back in range this time around .( since your where using a AI and SERM which would have altered the results ) you can do another cycle ..

Merc.

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 08:56 PM

Ok, makes sence. If it goes back down, is there any sence to do another pct? Or have I exauseted my options...

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

Ok, makes sence. If it goes back down, is there any sence to do another pct? Or have I exauseted my options...

No point in running another pct ( you have been off cycle for over 6 months and already have ran 2 )..

Merc.

**Ashop** · 09-24-2007, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

Back ground info: 25 years old, Got off cycle about 6 months ago, did pct of nolva, got a blood test 3 months after last injection, T levels low at around 225.

Decided to do another pct, of nolva and exem to try to bring my levels back up. (felt like shit, wanted to get better)

I just got my blood results, test total shot up to 438 (in normal range of 260-1000) and test free is 89.9 (in normal range of 50-210)

over all, i am pleased, but wish to be higher. Still feel that 438 is low for a 25 year old, but I do not know my pre steroid levels.

My LH is high, at 10.4 (1.5-9.3 is normal), and FSH is at 5.4 (1.6-8.0)

Do I need to be worried about high LH levels??
Do you think I can get my test levels any higher, or is this as good as its going to get? (might be impossible to answer)

if you looking for a natural route and try some TRIBULUS

**Kratos** · 09-24-2007, 10:13 PM

I didn't read everyone's post, but your LH being high may indicate your test levels are still on the rise. LH levels and your rising test levels are probably a result of you being on the nolvadex as nolva will rise LH.

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by ****

if you looking for a natural route and try some TRIBULUS

Trib does nothing to increase test.. It acually increases estrogen ..

See this thread ( towards the end where we start talking about trib )

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=311318

Merc.

**tvd220** · 09-24-2007, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

I didn't read everyone's post, but your LH being high may indicate your test levels are still on the rise. LH levels and your rising test levels are probably a result of you being on the nolvadex as nolva will rise LH.

Hmmm...that would be good, and makes sence. Does high LH usually mean test is rising? My doctor didnt mention this...

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 10:29 PM

I also posted this in the lounge but wanted to put it up here also ..

Its Anthony Roberts lastest interview on test boosters ...

http://thefitcast.com/podcast/TheFitCast067.mp3

Merc.

**Merc..** · 09-24-2007, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

Hmmm...that would be good, and makes sence. Does high LH usually mean test is rising? My doctor didnt mention this...

Tvd220

I mentioned that nolva increases LH in post #6

Merc.

**Kratos** · 09-24-2007, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

Hmmm...that would be good, and makes sence. Does high LH usually mean test is rising? My doctor didnt mention this...

No way to be sure without baseline blood work.

**tvd220** · 09-25-2007, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Merc.

Tvd220

I mentioned that nolva increases LH in post #6

Merc.

got you, but I didnt realize that if my LH levels are high, that my testosterone levels may be still rising...

**tvd220** · 09-25-2007, 01:01 PM

I will get another test in a few weeks and see where Iam at

**Merc..** · 09-25-2007, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

I will get another test in a few weeks and see where Iam at

Please keep us posted on you bloodwork results..

Merc.

**Merc..** · 09-25-2007, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by tvd220

got you, but I didnt realize that if my LH levels are high, that my testosterone levels may be still rising...

I missed this post ..

Keep in mind LH is a precursor to testosterone..

Merc.

**tvd220** · 09-25-2007, 05:46 PM

Ok, I will post my next blood test. So I guess the high LH may be a good thing after all....

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