Using letro whilst on tren

[BIGPHIL]

Is say doing 600mg tren a week for 10 weeks what would be an adequate dose of letro each day.

[dece870717]

I would take caber over letro to prevent prog gyno. Unless you were also using the letro to prevent excess estrogen from another compound. Ideally you should use Letro at 0.25mg ED to EOD depending on how prone you are to prog gyno.

[BIGPHIL]

the tablets come in 2.5mg, that would mean splitting them up to quarters? ill be using test as well. do u really think caber will suffice?

[dece870717]

the tablets come in 2.5mg, that would mean splitting them up to quarters? ill be using test as well. do u really think caber will suffice?

Caber can and will work better than letro at lowering prolactin, that is cabers main medical purpose, to lower prolactin. Ya with 2.5mg tabs you would have to split them into quarters, its much better getting the liquid oral when using Letro for AI or SERM purposes.

[Merc..]

Caber works on prolactin..

Gyno needs esterogen, progesterone plus other mediators like GH an IGF-1 to form..

Letro helps with any estrogen concerns ( and has been shown to lower PgR , which is a good thing while using tren)

Some use both letro and caber while using tren.. (


Merc.

[Merc..]

its much better getting the liquid oral when using Letro for AI or SERM purposes.

HMMMM

Letro is an AI !!! How can you use letro for SERM purposes ??




Merc.

[BIGPHIL]

what dosage of caber would you reccomend whilst on say 600mg tren 600mg test per week. Would i be incorect in saying winstrol helps reduce prolactin levels?

[dece870717]

HMMMM

Letro is an AI !!! How can you use letro for SERM purposes ??




Merc.

LOL sorry I didn't even catch that. Been thinking about my upcoming PCT too much.

[hugovsilva]

0,25mg twice a week.

[billybambam]

Unless you are very Gyno prone, why would you even run an AI with that kind of cycle. Tren only..... or did you say some Test also...??? Still how much Test?
Tren reduces the amount of fat being deposited in the body, and decreases the rate of catabolism. Tren is also not metabolised by aromatase or reduced into estrogenic compounds such as estradiol, or into DHT.... "You Won't Retain Water".
So in IMO... I wouldn't run either (Letro, or Caber) on that cycle. Unless you were running a really high dosage of Test... "over 600MGs / Week".
But hey thats just me.

[BIGPHIL]

mmmm ill b runing on average around 600mgs of test! 600mgs of tren per week. i dont know what to do now or whos view to take. can caber be run with tamoxifan?

[Kingweb50]

I didnt see how you would split a 2.5mg pill into quarters and it would equal .25mg you would have to split it into tenths to get to .25mg

[hugovsilva]

split it in quarters and take 1/4 eod. That's app. 0.6 mg ed.

[billybambam]

mmmm ill b runing on average around 600mgs of test! 600mgs of tren per week. i dont know what to do now or whos view to take. can caber be run with tamoxifan?

What is your cycle history?

[Merc..]

mmmm ill b runing on average around 600mgs of test! 600mgs of tren per week. i dont know what to do now or whos view to take. can caber be run with tamoxifan?

Nolva increases PgR and is not a good idea to use with tren.. It can give more for the metabolites to bind to and possibly increase your chances of getting gyno..



Merc.

[Merc..]

Yes Caber and an AI are a good idea when using tren.. I dont know what you have been researching Billy Bam .. lol

This is from the steroid profiles for tren ace..


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199832


Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sentitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin…. bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone

[BIGPHIL]

Yes Caber and an AI are a good idea when using tren.. I dont know what you have been researching Billy Bam .. lol

This is from the steroid profiles for tren ace..


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199832


Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sentitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin…. bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone

thanks very much, gentleman!


do you recokn the caber alone at 0.25mg will be enough to stop gyno on top of me using test at 600mgs per week?

[legobricks]

So would cabor be good to go with a test tren cycle or im thinkin keeping an AI on hand along with caber...

[billybambam]

Yes Caber and an AI are a good idea when using tren.. I dont know what you have been researching Billy Bam .. lol

This is from the steroid profiles for tren ace..


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199832


Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bich tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female se x hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sentitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin…. bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina di ck). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone

I stand Corrected Merc. Parts of this I knew, and parts I didn't.
That is almost confusing... It will NOT do this, but will do this....

To the poster, "Listen to Merc, Don't listen to me".

[legobricks]

ok disregard my post. I posted before i saw ur post merc.

[Merc..]

I stand Corrected Merc. Parts of this I knew, and parts I didn't.
That is almost confusing... It will NOT do this, but will do this....

To the poster, "Listen to Merc, Don't listen to me".

You know your my boy Bam !!!!



Merc.

[Merc..]

ok disregard my post. I posted before i saw ur post merc.

Merc.

[legobricks]

Would arimidex be strong enough or would letro be a better option for the test tren cycle?

[BIGPHIL]

bump
can novla be used with caber?

[legobricks]

Nolva increases PgR and is not a good idea to use with tren.. It can give more for the metabolites to bind to and possibly increase your chances of getting gyno..



Merc.

Id imagine if not using a 19-nor compound nolva would be ok to use with caber?

[legobricks]

Man so much new info im suckin in, THANX MERC!

[Merc..]

bump
can novla be used with caber?

see post #15..



Merc.

[Merc..]

Man so much new info im suckin in, THANX MERC!

Merc.

[Merc..]

Would arimidex be strong enough or would letro be a better option for the test tren cycle?

Alot of people dont seem to like letro .. Its strong ..

Adex is good also ...


Merc.

[ziinus]

Letro + t3 when using tren with test is perfect for me, and i'm very prone to gyno.