Who here "BRIDGES" between cycle and pct?

[Johny-too-small]

Im starting to see a quiet trend around here and Id like to find out more about members who run a highly suppressive cycle (test, tren, deca, etc.) and then attempt to stay as anabolic as possible while allowing their HPTA to begin functioning again before they begin pct. The idea being that there would not be the "crash" from zero endogenous test and a possibility of continued gains in and throughout pct.

For example, lets say you ran a 14 week cycle of deca and test enan. After your last enan injection (2 weeks after deca, obviously) you would begin to administer a mild steroid such as var or tbol only for the next 4-6 weeks followed by pct.

I know that its common to use non-suppressive agents such as HGH, IGF, Slin for bridges between cycles, but what about this concept of bridging from cycle to pct?

If there are existing threads covering this topic, I apoligize, please attach them for me. Thanks.

[facile]

I bridged with HGH, in the past which seemed to work quite well.(was doing test ent and tren 8 wks on/ 8 wks off /8 wks on,)

Right now I am bridging after a 12 wk cycle of test prop, tren and Masteron(also finished with a few weeks of winny). I finished, did PCT with Clomid/Nolva. Then began using 50 mg/day Var as a bridge, I am retaining well, but I don't feel my I recovered as well as I should have(sex drive is a little low, but functioning). Going to have to get my blood tested to be sure.

Thinking of scaling back the Var a bit and doing some additional PCT.

Planning on starting next cycle soon.

[Johny-too-small]

I bridged with HGH, in the past which seemed to work quite well.(was doing test ent and tren 8 wks on/ 8 wks off /8 wks on,)

Right now I am bridging after a 12 wk cycle of test prop, tren and Masteron(also finished with a few weeks of winny). I finished, did PCT with Clomid/Nolva. Then began using 50 mg/day Var as a bridge, I am retaining well, but I don't feel my I recovered as well as I should have(sex drive is a little low, but functioning). Going to have to get my blood tested to be sure.

Thinking of scaling back the Var a bit and doing some additional PCT.

Planning on starting next cycle soon.

Thanks for the feedback...
Im not going to ever bridge from cycle to cycle, as I dont want (have the genetics, lol) to compete . Im am interesting in knowing if there is a possibility of HPTA recovery before starting pct, by using a low-suppressive anabolic such as tbol or the like at the conclusion of a highly-suppressive injectable cycle.

[Johny-too-small]

Facile, did I understand you correctly? Did you use winny alone after your prop/tren/mast cycle to attempt some mild recovery? If so, what mg/ed did you run it and did it make pct easier?

[buffgator]

only 8 to ten years ago it was a common practice to run var after your last injection and even through pct. I think that we get tunnell vision from just getting our info from the boards, because we always hear that you can or cant do something. For example pct being nolva hcg and aromasin. Man for 20 years people used clomid as their main pct, and there was no problems. Now everyone tells you it wont work, or you will lose to much size. We need to venture out and try new things and not just constantly repeat or do what we read on here.

[facile]

I used the 50mg EOD winny the last 3 weeks of the cycle and 1 week after(got it free from a friend) it was just to tighten up, no real goal in regards to PCT, I did start my PCT during my last week of Winny, then as I neared completion of my PCT started the var. This was my first real attempt at a bridge, so I am happy with it but feel I may still be a little supressed.

Last year I used the HGH for 6 months, it functioned as a bridge(due to length of time)and worked well.

I have read about people using low doses of DBOL as a bridge, I would think that TBOl would be a good bridge choice.
As for you question if a low dose of tbol, would allow some recovery, prior to pCT that is beyond my knowledge,
I am real interested in hearing from some more experienced members on this ?

[Johny-too-small]

only 8 to ten years ago it was a common practice to run var after your last injection and even through pct. I think that we get tunnell vision from just getting our info from the boards, because we always hear that you can or cant do something. For example pct being nolva hcg and aromasin. Man for 20 years people used clomid as their main pct, and there was no problems. Now everyone tells you it wont work, or you will lose to much size. We need to venture out and try new things and not just constantly repeat or do what we read on here.

I agree w/ your thoughts. So, do you think that my questions may work, or should I just quit being spoonfed and try it for myself?

I was looking for someone who may have tried it...

[sphincter]

I think your question proposed idea will work fine.. you'll be using a less aggessive steroid to keep your gains while the hard stuff clears out a little allowing for a quicker HPTA recovery.. sounds like it would work. Just know that you'll not be making any gains towards HPTA recovery until all exogenous steroids have ceased...

[Johny-too-small]

I think your question proposed idea will work fine.. you'll be using a less aggessive steroid to keep your gains while the hard stuff clears out a little allowing for a quicker HPTA recovery.. sounds like it would work. Just know that you'll not be making any gains towards HPTA recovery until all exogenous steroids have ceased...

Are you positive about that?

[buffgator]

I guess I do it. If i am taking bulking orals I do them the first 6 weeks of a cycle. If i am doing cutting orals I start them 6 weeks out from the starting day of my pct. I have even gone beyond that to end a cycle anabolic. I have done cycles where the first 5 weeks I take adrogenic products, followed by 4 weeks of anabolic, followed by pct. For example weeks 1-5 sust 1g per week, week 6-9 deca 1g per week. week 7-12 winnie, then I start pct in week 12

[buffgator]

i know that most people disagree, but I am not a believer that one shot of deca or test will shut you down, I also dont believe that there is only 2 states, shut down and not shut down. I believe you can be surpressed to different levels. So saying that I also believe that taking a low dose of var during pct will not keep your hpta levels from returning to normal.

[facile]

i know that most people disagree, but I am not a believer that one shot of deca or test will shut you down, I also dont believe that there is only 2 states, shut down and not shut down. I believe you can be surpressed to different levels. So saying that I also believe that taking a low dose of var during pct will not keep your hpta levels from returning to normal.

Buffgator,
Do you think 50mgs Var/day is to high a bridge(several cycles, 5'11, 238lbs)?

[buffgator]

no I would never take less then 80-100mg var in a cycle, and my wife takes 20mgs a day in her cycles, so I think that 50mgs is a good place to start. Maybe even bump it up to 60 if you are not getting desired results. Remember var is extremely mild.

[facile]

Thanks, I think I will bump it up a little, I appreciate the feedback.

[J*U*icEd]

i don't know why you think running var during PCT is going to do anything, as per a bridge to your next cycle... running var is still suppressive, it won't shut you down but it's still suppressive so running it up until PCT for acouple weeks past your harsh androgens should in theory allow for your HPTA to recover alittle... but why run it thru PCT, the whole point of PCT is to get you HPTA back to normal levels and you endocrine system running normally on it's own... i feel it should give some support in restoring "some" endogenous testosterone production just before PCT and after ending harsh androgens... but what i don't understand is why the hell you would run var thru PCT and still keep running the bridge... why not just forget about the PCT and keep running the var.... ???

[Johny-too-small]

i don't know why you think running var during PCT is going to do anything, as per a bridge to your next cycle... running var is still suppressive, it won't shut you down but it's still suppressive so running it up until PCT for acouple weeks past your harsh androgens should in theory allow for your HPTA to recover alittle... but why run it thru PCT, the whole point of PCT is to get you HPTA back to normal levels and you endocrine system running normally on it's own... i feel it should give some support in restoring "some" endogenous testosterone production just before PCT and after ending harsh androgens... but what i don't understand is why the hell you would run var thru PCT and still keep running the bridge... why not just forget about the PCT and keep running the var.... ???

Right, I dont understand the point of pct, while still running any anabolics.

J*U*icEd, have you used a compound after completion of harsh androgens to allow some HPTA recover before pct?

[J*U*icEd]

not something like var or anything that mild... i cut all harsh androgens a week or two before PCT.... like it im running test prop and NPP... i cut the NPP a couple weeks before the prop, then run PCT... i find that running anabolics that don't "totally shut you down hard" right before PCT gives me a better recovery... all though test and nandrolone both totally shut you down, nandrolone shuts you down harder and quicker, so i cut the really harsh androgens a couple weeks before... like when i ran sust and EQ i ran the EQ alittle longer then the sust then went into PCT...

[Raven88]

I prefer the term "Cruising"...

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

I think its a misleading term to use the word "bridge" between the end of a cycle and PCT. Switching to faster acting compounds (short esters, orals, etc...) 1-3 weeks before PCT is part of a well planned cycle itself. It is common practice, for example, to switch to test prop from test E or Cyp 2-3 weeks before end of cycle in order to stay anabolic as long as possible before PCT, which can begin as soon as 2-3 days after the last shot.

Furthermore, in my personal experience, after a harsh cycle, you are shut down no matter what as long as you are still taking any gear. So, switching to a milder oral steroid like var will not really help because all steroids are molecular permutations of testosterone that still sends negative feedback in the presence of exogenous hormones. This is why HCG in the last weeks of a cycle and before PCT is a much better bet to recover endogenous test production to support the muscle before the cycle ends. That is why I agree with Juiced, there is no point of doing PCT at all if you are gonna run var throughout it and after. And Raven got the word right...thats called Cruising.

cheers

[Swifto]

In theory, this switching to less suppressive compounds after cycling may work, but lots disagree.

There are studies stating Var isnt that suppresive at low doses, then there are studies that say its suppresive even at 10mg. The same with Winstrol.

If it can be done, great. It may lead to some HPTA hormonal output, but who's to say staying suppressed isnt dangerous to the user, or HPTA.

Androgens arnt ****ing toys. There damaging to the body and even if suppressed your body is still fighting to regain homeostasis (sp), which it cant do.

Some say this theory works, others do not. I guess, if it does work, its better for the HPTA than staying totally shutdown (crusing on Test).

If your not competting at a high(ish) level, I'd advise against it. Get some BW done to prove it works for you. Dont take a 20 year old study on cancer/aids patients and think you have a new "theory" and are now a guru. So called "gurus" writting shit like that gets people hurt and puts people at risk of health complications.

Cycle, recover, take your HGH/IGF (if you want to bridge), then take sufficient time off. Time on + PCT = Time off. Set some goals, achieve those goals, then cycle. Repeat. Plain and simple.

Rant over...

[Consistency]

For my past 3 cycles Ive ran prop 5-6 weeks past test e, eq, and deca. This way the aas during my cycle are no longer considered "active" and there is waiting around for PCT. It seems to help with recovery

[anhukem]

so if the test level are low or reduced to nothing and if someone can brigde why dont give the natural production os test for the body? for exemple shot 50mg ew of test to help bring up the test production or that would result in supression of htpa?

im just wondering and asking ....

[hugovsilva]

That would still supress you...

[hugovsilva]

Basically, that theory is put in practice when most of us end tren or deca a couple of weeks before ending the test. The main reason is to have the most suppresive compound completely out by pct time. Its like a cruise into pct, but natty test production will not bounce back until exogenous test stops being injected.

IMO, what we can call "cruise" into pct is when a short ester is used in the time between the last long ester shot and pct like stated above.

[Kratos]

For people who use HCG especially in pre estrogen dependent pct, using a quick acting oral may be a good idea. You hypothalamus and pituitary aren't going to even think about recovering while you are injecting hcg, why not throw a little something extra in there while waiting for the long acting injects to clear. Could be d-bol, could be test suspension, doesn't matter. I doubt you are going to see much recovery regardless in the weeks leading up to pct.

[Swifto]

In theory, you could switch from a very suppressive compound (Test Enan) to a less suppressive one (Tbol) before PCT. In theory this could allow you pituitary to resume some sort of hormone output, then you wouldnt be going straight into PCT from having no hormone output. If this works, it could make recovery easier during PCT.

In theory...

If anyone wants to try this, I'd suggest using a compound that increases ones sex drive, Tbol, Masteron, or another compound combined with Proviron.

Although it may not work, I'm doing exactly this with my next cycle after using Omna. I'll use Tbol for a further 4-6 weeks and see how I get on.

[Swifto]

For people who use HCG especially in pre estrogen dependent pct, using a quick acting oral may be a good idea. You hypothalamus and pituitary aren't going to even think about recovering while you are injecting hcg, why not throw a little something extra in there while waiting for the long acting injects to clear. Could be d-bol, could be test suspension, doesn't matter. I doubt you are going to see much recovery regardless in the weeks leading up to pct.

You advise not to use HCG pre-PCT?

[hulk1o1]

personaly i bridge with dbol at low dose

[Kratos]

You advise not to use HCG pre-PCT?

Not advising one way or another, just saying if you are using HCG pre-pct than you arn't losing anything by adding an oral or otherwise quick acting steroid.

[anhukem]

my point here is the doctors precibe test to peaple who have low levels of test right? so when we went into pct our levels are just in the bottom line .... does this make sense?

[Swifto]

Not advising one way or another, just saying if you are using HCG pre-pct than you arn't losing anything by adding an oral or otherwise quick acting steroid.

I see.

I think its important to state when using HCG pre-pct, any AI must be used. And also if using an aromotasable, like Kratos stated. A high estrogen level entering or during PCT can be very detrimental indeed.

[cookiemonstR]

Ya i just made a post about this, i posted an ariticle too, might be nobe to bad of an idea

[Elite1287]

I see.

I think its important to state when using HCG pre-pct, any AI must be used. And also if using an aromotasable, like Kratos stated. A high estrogen level entering or during PCT can be very detrimental indeed.

I concur