My first post- My first cycle, help wanted.

[bobbyeggertonson]

Hey guys I'm knew to the forum and I have a question about my first cycle. I'll give you some basics so you know where I'm coming from.

20 years old
5'4
132
10% BF (estimated)
Male
Training for about 4 years, only put on about 15 pounds since I started lifting.

For my first cycle I want to start really small. I know a lot of people will probably recommend some stacks of D-Bol and Test Etc. but I don't want to go that way. I'd like to do something in the 4-8 week range of something like Winstrol. Preferably an oral steroid. Anyway, like I said I want it to be small because I don't want anyone to notice how massive I got over a month. I'd just like to gain about 7-12 pounds with minimal water retention. Can some one recommend a cycle like this for me to start off? I'd like to not have to take Clomid or Nolvadex or something that's why I'm thinking Winny. Thanks.

[Fjock]

first off since you listed your age your are just gonna hear from most people on here about how you are too young.

Im not against ur age but I am against the idea of running winny only for your first cycle. Oral only cycles arent ideal for a number of reasons. You should prolly do some more research on first cycles or just suck it up and throw some test in that cycle.

[jAcKeD!!!!]

7-12 lbs? eat train eat

when it comes to steroids, do it right or dont do them at all.
seems to me your not to sure on that topic to begin with.

if you were to cycle do a simple test and dbol cycle.
week1-12 testE@500mgs
weeks1-4 dbol@25mgs

anthoney roberts for pct

[bobbyeggertonson]

Well, I'm not opposed to going to the needle. I just would like advice on something not too strong to start on and I know Winny isn't extremely powerful. I know my expectations seem very low by saying only 7-12 pounds, but you have to remember how small I am. 7-12 pounds is a lot of muscle for someone who's only 132. Again, I'd like to keep water retention to a minimum so I don't think something like D-Bol is the way to go. What about some Primo, Dekka or Sust 250?

[shifty_git]

Well, I'm not opposed to going to the needle. I just would like advice on something not too strong to start on and I know Winny isn't extremely powerful. I know my expectations seem very low by saying only 7-12 pounds, but you have to remember how small I am. 7-12 pounds is a lot of muscle for someone who's only 132. Again, I'd like to keep water retention to a minimum so I don't think something like D-Bol is the way to go. What about some Primo, Dekka or Sust 250?

is on the liver and joints fella.

[jAcKeD!!!!]

i didnt look at ur weight till just now. sorry

any pill form by itself isnt gunna put alot of weight on you.
my fav is anadrol all tho it has alot of water retention its really good for bulkin and putting on weight.
if ur considering only doing a pill cycle
week1-5anadrol@50mgsED
weeks5-10winstol@50mgsED
weeks11-14nolvadex@20mgsED

then again its gunna be hard on ur liver

[bobbyeggertonson]

Could you recommend a non-pill cycle as well?

[shifty_git]

edit*

due to a stain on my screen (not what your thinking) i read you age as 28.

20 and at 132lb is was to early to start.

[hugovsilva]

Don't do anything and learn how to eat and train. Even at 5'4" 132 is too low. You can gain the weight you want easy on a good diet. If don't learn how to eat you will lose what you gained anyway.

[reconforce4]

i agree with jacked, if u are to start, make sure you had done ur research, and then as a first cycle you should throw in some test as a base, and then maybe somethin like anavar and some winny

[bobbyeggertonson]

Hugosilva, here are some pictures of me. As you can probably tell, 132 is not too small for 5'4. I knew that when I posted I'd probably have some people think that I'm just an impatient newbie. While I am new to juice; I am not new to bodybuilding. Like I said I've been training seriously for 4 years and my diet is extremely clean. I take in about 3000 (that's a lot for me) cals every day and always get at least 130gs of protein. I learned how to train and eat correctly a long time ago, plus I am a second year Kinesiology student so that helps as well. So please, bare with me here, I'm obviously a hard gainer and I would just like some real advice. I don't mean to attack you specifically, I just don't want any body to think I'm some retard that doesn't know anything. Thanks.


P.S. No, my legs aren't tiny- they're actually a little too big for my upper body!

[reconforce4]

take at least 1.5 to 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight, and see if that helps you .

[basshead69]

You look pretty good dude I would run a simple test cycle run test e of cyp at 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks with proper pct. Make sure your diet is in check before you consider using steroids stay away from orals their just too hard on your liver.

[Lexed]

i feel you man its a bitch to gain weight at your height and i bet you have a super fast metabolism. Gl with you cycle

[RBIZZY]

i would only use orals to help kick start a injection cycle, to much toxins in orals for me.... i would just do the basic first cycle:

test enanthate or cypionate 250mg 2x a week- weeks 1-12
d-bol 40mg every day-weeks 1-4
and try and raise calories to 4000 calories a day....get a mass shake if you find it hard to do....work out hard and get enough protien and you will see great results for that.
make sure and get the proper pct for that too. good luck

[Cun0144]

So delete

[bobbyeggertonson]

Would I see some pretty decent results with just a test and PCT cycle? I really dislike the watery look that D-Bol gives people. I have pretty decent cuts and vascularity that I'd like to keep. Maybe there's a better replacement for D-Bol?

[Fjock]

Yes, a test only cycle would be just fine for a first cycle bro. Grab some test e and just run it at about 500mg/week for 10-12 weeks and you should be very happy with the results.

[bobbyeggertonson]

Thanks for the advice guys.

[bigcountry1491]

hey sorry about this input but idk how to post a thread can anyone help me

[basshead69]

there is a link on the top of the q & A forum that says new thread

[FunkLord]

+1 for Test E. You could probably get great gains off a lower dose, say 300-400mg, since you are smaller than the average first-time user. That would leave you with more flexibilty for later cycles. It would also give you less side effects. Run an AI such as arimidex to keep bloating down, and a proper PCT when you're done. You can definitley reach your goal with a simple cycle like that.

If you are dead-set on an oral only cycle (which I would advise against) look into anavar and T-bol. Very lean keepable gains, but even 7-12 lbs might be optimistic.

[bobbyeggertonson]

OK, how does this sound:

350mg/week Test E
week 1-8

.25mg/day Arimidex
week 1-8

.25mg/day Clomid
week 9-11

Should I go up some more with the Clomid or maybe switch to Nolvadex?

[Big]

OK, how does this sound:

350mg/week Test E
week 1-8

.25mg/day Arimidex
week 1-8

.25mg/day Clomid
week 9-11

Should I go up some more with the Clomid or maybe switch to Nolvadex?

is week 9-11 supposed to be your pct? if so it needs drastic revision. (.25mg clomid?)

[Amorphic]

OK, how does this sound:

350mg/week Test E
week 1-8

.25mg/day Arimidex
week 1-8

.25mg/day Clomid
week 9-11

Should I go up some more with the Clomid or maybe switch to Nolvadex?

how about,

test e 500mg/w 1-12
arimidex on hand for gyno issues if needed.

pct consisting of nolva/aromasin 4 weeks of 20mgs ed/15-20mgs ed

done

[Fjock]

how about,

test e 500mg/w 1-12
arimidex on hand for gyno issues if needed.

pct consisting of nolva/aromasin 4 weeks of 20mgs ed/15-20mgs ed

done

Bingo, this would be the ideal first cycle + pct for you. no revisions needed. If you can get your hands on everything listed above and run it at those dosages ur golden IMO

[legobricks]

Id up your protein like was mentioned. Also, the cycle that Amorphic proposed. You are def. on the right track with starting small cycles. Oral only's i really dont like unless you want to only cut up a bit and put on a couple lean lbs. But it all boils down to diet when gaining weight. When you do jump on cycle up your protein to 1.5-2g per lbs of body weight and also try upping your cals to 3500 or even 4000 and youll see some good growth. Good luck bro!

[legobricks]

When you come off cycle make sure you are keeping up wiht what your body needs to with your diet. Basically you'll be eating more after cycle to feed more muscle that you gained.

[IntenseAthlete]

You have the right Idea.Start with a low dose cycle.Your twenty and your receptors are fresh.Not to mention the water you dont want will happen at 500mg per week.Keep your dose low under 300 mg per week add proviron instead of just an anti-e and research your pct as ima******ger suggested.If you can stand injestions Test prop is a much better choice less sides, almost instant effects and easier to go into pct.IMO the best compound!
Remeber you cant ever undo what you do to yourself.You can always do more later, but fat, gyno and huge depression after an extreme cycle are real.Some of us young ones have had results(big ones) at low doses.So be smart
Jonny

[Titan 3]

Pics look good, bro. I've been reading on here for awhile and the general consensus is test only on your first. I'm planning 500mg/wk test prop only. This will be my first as well. My stats are as follows:
29
208 lbs
14%bf

Good luck with your cycle.

[bobbyeggertonson]

So it would be ideal for me to go 4 weeks with PCT instead of 2? Makes sense to me, the safer the better. Don't worry guys, I'll definitely be upping the cals big time. I know I said I take in about 130gs of pro, but remember that's at the LEAST. I usually get up to 170-200gs on a normal day. Can someone maybe give a price range with all the supplies- 12 weeks test, 4 weeks PCT and any extras?

[IntenseAthlete]

Its going to depend on which test & how much.Most of your pct gear can be purchased here.So if you post a plan than someone could possibly help you, but prices are not supposed to be discussed

[bobbyeggertonson]

Oh yeah, that's true. I can get all my PCT stuff here though? Is it legit? Will I have any problems?

[Renesis]

How are you eating 3kcals a day and not gaining anymore weight than 132? I am 5'5 so I am not much taller than you and I sit at 153 at 12% right now. Not only that it took me 6 months to go from 120-155. Take into account soccer I lost on average 15lbs during season which would leave me at 140 still heavier than you and now I gained 13lbs back and am up at 153 so after 1 year of losing and gaining weight I ended up with a total of 33lbs gained. I don't think you are eating enough you might think you are getting 3kcals but I say with certainty that you don't. I haven't been very strict with my diet at all and haven't been eating much lately due to lack of sleep and finals for college and I still packed on a few pounds during that time period. I say no steroids for you. Train hard eat A LOT and get your sleep in and you should easily hit 7-12lbs without having to do any steroids you can do it trust me.

[bobbyeggertonson]

Genetics my friend. I've learned they play a massive role in everything you do. I have decent genes for being muscular, just not good genes for putting on weight. Everything I've built was really from nothing. I was very skinny and ectomorphic before I started bodybuilding. Also, keep in mind that not only am I short but I've also been cursed with a small bone frame. I can guarantee that the distance of your clavicles is much longer than mine (meaning your shoulders are naturally wider) giving you the chance to have and add more weight. Probably a bigger ribcage as well. Trust me, I have a few friends that actually are my same height, but they weigh more just because they have a bigger frame even though they aren't nearly as muscular as me. Take a look at the pics I posted, you'll notice how narrow my shoulders are.

[Renesis]

Most likely I have a bigger ribcage as far as a wider back I doubt it. I have a decent width to my shoulders but nothing special. Now that I look at your pictures it seems as if most of your weight is in your upper body as your arms look solid. Maybe your wheels are a little weak? Again pure speculation though. I am a soccer player or was at least remember that. By nature of our sport we are not wide shouldered thick jointed and heavy boned players. I was 120lbs at 5'5 that is pretty thin. My wrists are thin now my bone frame while not small is not big either. I still believe you could gain more weight naturally.

[bobbyeggertonson]

Well, your right about the arms part. I like to think they're my strong point. As far as legs goes they're pretty solid as well. 21" legs, 13 3/4" calves, 13 1/2" arms but only 39" chest(with lats spread) genetics genetics genetics!

There's no reason for worry here though. I'm not going to immediately jump into the juice thing. I'm just here to gather solid information, research and a few more opinions.

[bobbyeggertonson]

Not to mention I'm probably over estimating my body fat percentage.