Planning Test E and D-bol cycle - Advice please!

[IM MACHO]

Hey all board members and gym rats! I'm a newbie here @ AR but have been reading and researching for the last year! I am so glad to find this site - a lot of useful information with a lot of guys with experience! First thing let me list my stats: -23yrs old -196lbs -5'10" - 12% bf -5 yrs of training - Diet is in check! if anything I need eat more!! Goals: mass/strength I am figuring on running a Test E and dbol cycle as of followed: Week 1-12 500mgs EW of Test E Week 1-4 40mgs ED of Dbol I have clomid for PCT and will also be running Milk Thistle during cycle for the Dbol( how much milk thistle should I take daily, and is this enough or should I pick up something more like nolvadex, litro or anything else? Start PCT after last administration? Supplements on prior and during would be as listed: Whey Protein, BCAA, Milk Thistle, and would I still be able to use Amp 02 for my pre-workout while on the gear? And lastly a lot of h2o! Please post any and all advice! And feel free to flame I'm a big boy!

[10nispro]

Looks like you have done some research....Personnally I would drop the dbol for a 1st cycle but I will leave that up to you. Also, run hooker's(anthony roberts pct) and you can't go wrong. I have heard mixed reviews on the milk thistle for liver cleaning(but to each his own). I don't see anything wrong with the amp pre workout fix just remember to dring that h2o.

[JAY_WD]

Hey all board members and gym rats! I'm a newbie here @ AR but have been reading and researching for the last year! I am so glad to find this site - a lot of useful information with a lot of guys with experience! First thing let me list my stats: -23yrs old -196lbs -5'10" - 12% bf -5 yrs of training - Diet is in check! if anything I need eat more!! Goals: mass/strength I am figuring on running a Test E and dbol cycle as of followed: Week 1-12 500mgs EW of Test E Week 1-4 40mgs ED of Dbol I have clomid for PCT and will also be running Milk Thistle during cycle for the Dbol( how much milk thistle should I take daily, and is this enough or should I pick up something more like nolvadex, litro or anything else? Start PCT after last administration? Supplements on prior and during would be as listed: Whey Protein, BCAA, Milk Thistle, and would I still be able to use Amp 02 for my pre-workout while on the gear? And lastly a lot of h2o! Please post any and all advice! And feel free to flame I'm a big boy!

See Pheedno's sticky in the PCT forum for PCT start times.
Here it is: http://forum.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94822

IMO i would run Nolva and an AI such as Aromasin during PCT. I have heard of ppl experiencing some bad sides from Clomid.

I would keep the dbol as kickstart to your cycle as it will get your strength up by the time the test kicks in.

I would keep using all your supps during cycle and PCT however i would incorporate some Creatine into your PCT.

I would also have some Letro on me just in case gyno signs show up.

Hope this helps

[IM MACHO]

is it possible to inject all 500mgs once a week or should I hit it every 3.5 days?

[Big]

is it possible to inject all 500mgs once a week or should I hit it every 3.5 days?

split it twice a week for more stable blood levels.

[10nispro]

split it twice a week for more stable blood levels.

agreed....and it want hurt as bad.

[IM MACHO]

makes sense! ill run it twice a week! would it hurt if I bump the dbol to 50mgs or keep it at 40 for 4 weeks? I have enough to go more but most posts that I seen on here are around 40mgs!

[FASTBOATS25]

Some guys just see more side effects and not any more gains by adding more d-bol. It is personal but I would start at 40, you will probably be amazed. Some guys only use 20 and see results, just enough to jump start gains.

[IM MACHO]

is there any other oral that I could run with the test other then the dbol for the first 4 weeks? tbol or var? or should I stick with the dbol?

[fdrx7man]

anadrol! but personally i think dbol is much much much better for kick per mg!
from what ive read! ive never taken either.. but id like too!

[jAcKeD!!!!]

dbol is fine,
i would personally do drol. my choice in oral bulker, done them both and had far greater resulters with the a-bombs

[IM MACHO]

so many decisions to make haha!!

[Stock]

Stick with the dbol. for me 30mg ed was fine...

[IM MACHO]

I see a lot of member here running the dbol at lower doses then upping it through the 4 first weeks if they arent happy with there progress! Would it hurt to start at a lower dose and then increase or should I just run it @ a certain mg ED?

[Big]

just run a level dosage of dbol

[IM MACHO]

40mg ED it is... thanx everyone who has chimmed in on this!!