1st Cycle - Sust/Deca Pls Advise

[Nasty N8]

1st time poster, long time reader...

Ok gents, first off here are my stats and goals: 27yrs old 6'1 205 lbs, been training for 5 yrs but 2 yrs hard consistently. I have decided to try a cycle to gain 15-20 pounds of lean mass before I start a cutting cycle. I have just recently (about 3 months ago) started eating very clean and healthy. I am probably around 17% body fat right now and am looking to shed some body fat while bulking up on my first cycle.

I have researched AAS for over a year now on many of these boards. I have seen many arguments and users stating they get great gains from Sustanon 250 alone and when stacked with Deca 300. Due to a number of factors, i.e availablity being the biggest one, I have 1 vial of Sustanon 250mg/ML and one vial of Deca 300 QV.

This is the cycle that I have planned to start:

8 week cycle = 56 days = 1 injection E3D = 19 total injections

250 mg of Sust 250 per week shooting 132mg E3D = .53ml per inj

200 mg of Deca 300 per week shooting 85mg E3D = .28ml per inj

= .81ml total inj fluid per shot

I am combining the Deca with the Sust in the same syringe... I have also heard the Deca will subsidize some of the possible pain from the Prop in the Sust. if shot together.

As for PCT, I have Clomid on hand to start 18 days after last Sust injection. Any help with the PCT would be appreciated.

I am hoping to start off with this stack and get good gains and keep it simple and small for my first cycle. I know many will recommend 500 mg of Sust per week but I don't have enough juice for that and I want to start off with something simpler.

Any advice would be great.

Thanks!

[Nasty N8]

bump anyone?

[magicstick2003]

1st time poster, long time reader...

Ok gents, first off here are my stats and goals: 27yrs old 6'1 205 lbs, been training for 5 yrs but 2 yrs hard consistently. I have decided to try a cycle to gain 15-20 pounds of lean mass before I start a cutting cycle. I have just recently (about 3 months ago) started eating very clean and healthy. I am probably around 17% body fat right now and am looking to shed some body fat while bulking up on my first cycle.

I have researched AAS for over a year now on many of these boards. I have seen many arguments and users stating they get great gains from Sustanon 250 alone and when stacked with Deca 300. Due to a number of factors, i.e availablity being the biggest one, I have 1 vial of Sustanon 250mg/ML and one vial of Deca 300 QV.

This is the cycle that I have planned to start:

8 week cycle = 56 days = 1 injection E3D = 19 total injections

250 mg of Sust 250 per week shooting 132mg E3D = .53ml per inj

200 mg of Deca 300 per week shooting 85mg E3D = .28ml per inj

= .81ml total inj fluid per shot

I am combining the Deca with the Sust in the same syringe... I have also heard the Deca will subsidize some of the possible pain from the Prop in the Sust. if shot together.

As for PCT, I have Clomid on hand to start 18 days after last Sust injection. Any help with the PCT would be appreciated.

I am hoping to start off with this stack and get good gains and keep it simple and small for my first cycle. I know many will recommend 500 mg of Sust per week but I don't have enough juice for that and I want to start off with something simpler.

Any advice would be great.

Thanks!

o where to begin on this one.... if you've been a long time reader as you said you would know this isn;t an ideal first cycle due to the frequent injects needed to keep blood levels stable in the sust... yup im talking ED shots for maximum utilization of ALL esters EOD could be done but you won;t get the max stable blood levels of all compounds involved.

If you've done your research you would know that a test enanthate or cyp would be a better choice due to less frequent injects needed and easier time stabilizing blood levels (stable blood levels will lead to lesser incidence of side effects)

Also 8 weeks is not enough to run a long ester such as deca IMO. it will take aprx. 3-4 weeks to kick in. Also the long esters in the sust would take about the same time. Also you need more gear by one vial (assuming it's a 10ml vial) you have enough to half ass a cycle.

lastly bulking up and getting cut is almost impossible (say almost because im sure if everything was absolutely spot on it could be achieved. Most people who do AS have a good diet but i'm sure it's not spot on like it would be to achieve those goals.

Test E would be the way to go. take some time, research mroe, do it right, be happy.... dont half ass a first cycle.

the end. sorry for the book response...
magic

[johnathanjames69]

I have a similar problem nasty! I have trained hard for 2 years, and have gained well but i feel i have come to a halt with my gains and have decided to resort to the gear.....

I haven't really much idea but everyone starts somewhere......

I have Sust, tren 50, and naplon 50's. I'm going to start that next week with a strict diet and hope for the best. - ANY SUGGESTIONS ANYONE??

As for the likes of clomid, how important are they?? All the boys at my gym haven't mentioned them to me?! From what i understand they stop bitch tits. When and how do i take that?

Any info would be very much appreciated as your knowledge on this website is way greater than mine clearly lmao!

[mmmmma]

I have a similar problem nasty! I have trained hard for 2 years, and have gained well but i feel i have come to a halt with my gains and have decided to resort to the gear.....

I haven't really much idea but everyone starts somewhere......

I have Sust, tren 50, and naplon 50's. I'm going to start that next week with a strict diet and hope for the best. - ANY SUGGESTIONS ANYONE??

As for the likes of clomid, how important are they?? All the boys at my gym haven't mentioned them to me?! From what i understand they stop bitch tits. When and how do i take that?

Any info would be very much appreciated as your knowledge on this website is way greater than mine clearly lmao!

you have your own thread....read the rules. Go check your thread out you impatient monkey, I posted some stuff for you.

[johnathanjames69]

my bad mate! sorry!! wont happen again!!

[Nasty N8]

I thought stable blood levels could be achieved by injecting every 3 days? Also if the long esters don't kick in until week 4 what is the issue with running it for 4-5 more weeks after they kick in? Thanks for the info.

[mx3]

I thought stable blood levels could be achieved by injecting every 3 days? Also if the long esters don't kick in until week 4 what is the issue with running it for 4-5 more weeks after they kick in? Thanks for the info.

test e or c would be a better choice but sus is doable. imo you should switch your injects to eod if you can handle frequent injects. For a first cycle you dont need deca test is fine. just up the dose. 500mg ew for 1st run is recommended. Also deca doesn't even kick in for me until wks 6 or 7 so eight would not be ok. your cycle needs work bro. personally I would get some test e/c if you can and run it alone for 12wks. see anthony roberts pct. just keep it simple.

[Nasty N8]

since I'm running a low dosage of Sust @ 250 mgs per week, do you think my blood levels will remain more stable when compared to injecting 500 mgs per wk of sust. I have read that considering the low dosage including the 200 mgs of deca per week is not enough to really effect my blood levels when shooting E3D.

[admirals56]

6'1 at 205 u could easily gain 15 pounds natrually at 17% bf

[magicstick2003]

since I'm running a low dosage of Sust @ 250 mgs per week, do you think my blood levels will remain more stable when compared to injecting 500 mgs per wk of sust. I have read that considering the low dosage including the 200 mgs of deca per week is not enough to really effect my blood levels when shooting E3D.

The amount you decide to run per week doesn;t dictate stable blood levels. How often you inject, taking into account half lives and such will determine how stable the levels are.
By blood levels are you refering to normal test production? if so you're way off deca i believe can shut you down in doses as low as 100 mg/ wk.

[Njord]

As magic point out above, I think you might be confusing "blood levels" with natural testosterone levels. Even low dosage of Sustenon (Testosterone) is enough to shut down you body's natural test production. A single 50mg shot of deca will shut it down as well.

Achieving stable blood plasma levels of the substance you are injecting is your goal here. This will lessen the potential side effects as well as provide the body with a constant and stable source of testosterone (or whatever other substance).

Sustenon if a blend of 4 different estered testosterones. 1 short (propionate), 2 medium (phenylprop and isocaproate) and 1 long (decanoate). So to keep the blood plasma levels of testosterone as even as possible, eod injections are required.

Now people shoot Sust twice or even once a week and see good gains and have no side effects, but they are not using the compound to the max of it's capability. And just because they didn't get bad side effect from this, doesn't mean you won't.