Athlete & bodybuilder cycle critique

[IntenseAthlete]

Cycle 1:Athlete that doesnt want to gain want but wants to gain strength,endurance, and cut fat.Stats=Age 29 4th cycle 5'9 185 9% bf

Performance /strength/ cutter
Week 1-12 var 75 mgs ed
week 4-14 test prop 25 mgs ed(175mgs)per week
week 4-18 Proviron 25mgs ed
week 14-20 nolva 20 mgs ed
week 14-17 hcg 500iu ed
week 14-17 vitamin E 1000iu
week 16-20 IGF-lr3

Cycle 2
Bodybuilder first cycle age 42 wants to lean up and still gain some mass
5'10" 210 15% bf
First cycle/mass/cutter?
week 1-8 50 mgs var
week 1-12 test prop 325 mgs per week
week 12-15 hcg 500 iu ed
week 12-18 nolva 20mgs ed
week 12-15 vitamin E 1000iu
may add Proviron as well

Is Aromasin needed in cycles like these with lower doses and is Proviron a good substitute in pct for it?

[sportmuaythai]

I'm a cyclist, and I also do muaythai. For my sports, endurance is very important. Your first AAS program could work well. I've also heard that Igf is very good for endurance. I had very good success with much simpler cycle. I don't do AAS often, and not a long cycle either. I did 150mg/week each of test E and EQ, but first two weeks I also did 150mg/week of Test P ( 3 injections/w) I'd limit my Test E/EQ to only seven weeks of injection, and another 3 weeks of test prop, before starting PCT. So the cycle was 10 weeks total. Because of low doses and fairly short cycle, I didn't use HCG, yet recovered well after PCT.. Now for the killing endurance, I did EPO.

[fsu1985]

take anavar out of the equation and throw winstrol in.


i'm in the army and i have to take physical fitness tests often( two mile run, etc- endurance) and i can tell you that anavar is a lean building steroid,sure- but when compared to taking winni, my cardio/endurance is off the charts. i dont get even close to the same endurance from anavar when compared to winni- but hey- thats my expeireince.

best of luck buddy

[IntenseAthlete]

thanks guys thoughts on pct

[sphincter]

175 mg EW is light.. I'd say at least 40-50mg ED for the athlete with minimal gains in size but good overall gains.

325 mg prop EW is light for a BB cycle. most run 75mgED or 100ED from what I've seen on here.

[magic32]

175 mg EW is light.. I'd say at least 40-50mg ED for the athlete with minimal gains in size but good overall gains.

325 mg prop EW is light for a BB cycle. most run 75mgED or 100ED from what I've seen on here.

^^^Agreed, but as both of these scenarios seek mild anabolic effect they are acceptable. Remember diet will be the ACUTAL growth determinant.

take anavar out of the equation and throw winstrol in.
i'm in the army and i have to take physical fitness tests often( two mile run, etc- endurance) and i can tell you that anavar is a lean building steroid,sure- but when compared to taking winni, my cardio/endurance is off the charts. i dont get even close to the same endurance from anavar when compared to winni- but hey- thats my expeireince.
best of luck buddy

Nice post FSU.
But although this may be very true for you, such results vary with the individual, which is why the exploration of various compounds is encouraged. Furthermore, one should always consider the type of sport participated in. Winstrol is never recommended for quick “start and stop” athletes due to its potential to weaken connective tissues (tendons & ligaments). It is notoriously hazardous to track and baseball athletes.
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PCT:
IGF for four weeks is virtually ineffective.
Proviron and HCG are rarely need for such cycles, unless sexual dysfunction or testicular atrophy are realized, or expected based on prior experience.

Good to see you back even under a new name JS.

[IntenseAthlete]

^^^Agreed, but as both of these scenarios seek mild anabolic effect they are acceptable. Remember diet will be the ACUTAL growth determinant.

Nice post FSU.
But although this may be very true for you, such results vary with the individual, which is why the exploration of various compounds is encouraged. Furthermore, one should always consider the type of sport participated in. Winstrol is never recommended for quick “start and stop” athletes due to its potential to weaken connective tissues (tendons & ligaments). It is notoriously hazardous to track and baseball athletes.
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PCT:
IGF for four weeks is virtually ineffective.
Proviron and HCG are rarely need for such cycles, unless sexual dysfunction or testicular atrophy are realized, or expected based on prior experience.

Good to see you back even under a new name JS.

Athlete was going to continue use of IGF for the rest of year on & off......Do you think it will help with protien synthesis during the somewhat catabolic phase of pct?

He also has been told by other athletes(sprinters which he is)Proviron has other great benifits to a cycle?Performance/agression and so on....thoughts?
Has also read of great combo with var.

The hcg in the pct is to try to insure all gains.Hopefully maintaining all strength and gains.You think it can be done with Nolva alone...?So the Aromasin would be overkill as well?

[magic32]

All good points.

Athlete was going to continue use of IGF for the rest of year on & off......Do you think it will help with protien synthesis during the somewhat catabolic phase of pct?
DEFINITELY!

He also has been told by other athletes(sprinters which he is)Proviron has other great benifits to a cycle?Performance/agression and so on....thoughts?
Has also read of great combo with var.
BOTH ARE TRUE.

The hcg in the pct is to try to insure all gains.Hopefully maintaining all strength and gains.
THIS IS ANECDOTAL, AND BEST SAVED FOR SUBSEQUENT CYCLES AFTER BASICS HAVE BEEN TESTED.

You think it can be done with Nolva alone...?
FOR THESE PARTICULAR CYCLES, "YES".

So the Aromasin would be overkill as well?
THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE HCG ANSWER ABOVE.
LIKE AAS COMPOUNDS, PCT SUBSTANCES CAN ALSO BE VERY INDIVIDUALIZED IN THEIR EFFECTS, E.G. ONE PERSON MAY PREFER CLOMID, ANOTHER NOLVA, BOTH, OR SOME HYBRID AI/SERM COMBO. THUS, ONE SHOULDN'T USE TOO MANY AT INCEPTION, BECAUSE IT CAN CONFOUND BIO-FEEDBACK.

[IntenseAthlete]

All good points.

follow the cycles as laid out, but only add hcg if testicals or sex drive completety falls off late in cycle.If this does happen would you say 250iu ed would be more suited since the doses are much lower.

Thanks for your comments
JS