Shut Down Hard Since November?

[double chicken]

Please no Burns.
I finished a cycle of Deca and Winny during the first week of september. I had no PCT (i once was lost, but after finding this site I am found). Approximately how long should it take before my system is back to normal?

is there a recommendation for PCT this many months out or at this point should i just wait it out?

[shifty_git]

Please no Burns.
I finished a cycle of Deca and Winny during the first week of september. I had no PCT (i once was lost, but after finding this site I am found). Approximately how long should it take before my system is back to normal?

is there a recommendation for PCT this many months out or at this point should i just wait it out?

can you get bloodwork done?

hard to judge, but do you 'feel' shut down?

[double chicken]

I could go to my doctor. Not sure what i would tell him.
I feel shut pretty shut down. I am still losing the gains I made during the cycle. My libido is ok. it is no where close to where it was before the cycle.

[shifty_git]

If you did no test and only deca and winny its totally possible your still shut down with no PCT.

Go to the doc and say your feeling run down, low sex drive, no motivation etc and see if you can get bloodwork done.

If thats not possible, run a full PCT now, it cant hurt.

How old are you?

[double chicken]

30 years old, 6'4", 205 #, 13% b.f.
you are correct, there was NO test

[shifty_git]

30 years old, 6'4", 205 #, 13% b.f.
you are correct, there was NO test

I made the mistake in my early days of not taking a PCT after test and deca, didnt feel ma self for 8 months...

Went to the docs and got bloodwork done and was still a bit supressed.. ran a full PCT and recovered fine.. felt back to my self in 4-6 weeks.

So if you dont feel ya self and the docs is risky, run a pct.

I know people like using the doc to get prescription hrt, but dont think its worth going on hrt till your health actually needs it.

Better to recover while you can. imo.

[KJSolid]

I did the same thing a long while ago. No PCT and ran a test deca cycle. I was felt shut down for a year or so. No sex drive at all. I later ran am EQ/ test cycle and got it back. Afterwards, I ran correct PCT. Still today I will not run Deca cause of how it shut me down.

[double chicken]

Shifty - first of all thank you for your input. You have put alot of vaulable input on alot of threads i have read.

I am currently also sitting on the following cycle:

week 1-10 Test e 200 mg
week 1-8 Deca 200 mg week 5-7 Deca 400 mg
week 1-10 HCG 500 mg

PCT
Day 1-30 Clomid 100 mg
week 1 HCG 5000mg
week 2 HCG 5000mg

How long would you wait to take this cycle?

[double chicken]

I did the same thing a long while ago. No PCT and ran a test deca cycle. I was felt shut down for a year or so. No sex drive at all. I later ran am EQ/ test cycle and got it back. Afterwards, I ran correct PCT. Still today I will not run Deca cause of how it shut me down.

but the deca shut you down because of no PCT. Why do you stay away from it now?

[shifty_git]

Shifty - first of all thank you for your input. You have put alot of vaulable input on alot of threads i have read.

I am currently also sitting on the following cycle:

week 1-10 Test e 200 mg
week 1-8 Deca 200 mg week 5-7 Deca 400 mg Keep deca constant - 400mg per week is good.
week 1-10 HCG 500 mg

PCT
Day 1-30 Clomid 100 mg
Add some nolva and an AI (Aromasin if you can afford it, Arimidex if you cant)
week 1 HCG 5000mg
week 2 HCG 5000mg
No need for as much HCG in one week. And as your ganna use it through your course, just carry on running it how you did.
How long would you wait to take this cycle?

My personal reccomendations in red.

[double chicken]

1) because I am still a little shut down is it better to wait or to get started?
2) Should i run the deca for entire 10 weeks at 200 mg or should i still stop short at week 8?
3) at PCT how many weeks do you suggest running the HCG (week 1-2 HCG 500mg)?
I dont have access to Nolva or Aromasin.

[largerthannormal]

deca should be stopped 2weeks before the test is stopped!

[shifty_git]

1) because I am still a little shut down is it better to wait or to get started?
2) Should i run the deca for entire 10 weeks at 200 mg or should i still stop short at week 8?
3) at PCT how many weeks do you suggest running the HCG (week 1-2 HCG 500mg)?
I dont have access to Nolva or Aromasin.

1. Either.. But i like to see ya body as having something simular to 'windows Last known good configuration' - i.e after a cycle ya body craves to return to the state it was in b4 cycle, so maybe best to do a PCT before you start.

2. Always run ya test 2 weeks longer than a nor-19. Makes for an easier recovery.

3. If your running HCG through cycle, run it till either the week you start PCT, or into the first week. But HCG on its own is actually supressive, so make sure you do a PCT.

Click on the word nolva or Aromasin - Will take you to ar-r which is one of this sites sponsors.

[double chicken]

shifty -
I will buy you a beer the next time i see you out....
THanks!

[KJSolid]

I did the same thing a long while ago. No PCT and ran a test deca cycle. I was felt shut down for a year or so. No sex drive at all. I later ran am EQ/ test cycle and got it back. Afterwards, I ran correct PCT. Still today I will not run Deca cause of how it shut me down.

Just dont want tot experience that again. It sucked. I will stick to EQ, as I like it more than deca anyway.

[double chicken]

1. Either.. But i like to see ya body as having something simular to 'windows Last known good configuration' - i.e after a cycle ya body craves to return to the state it was in b4 cycle, so maybe best to do a PCT before you start.

2. Always run ya test 2 weeks longer than a nor-19. Makes for an easier recovery.

3. If your running HCG through cycle, run it till either the week you start PCT, or into the first week. But HCG on its own is actually supressive, so make sure you do a PCT.

Click on the word nolva or Aromasin - Will take you to ar-r which is one of this sites sponsors.

Shifty -
should i run the Nolva as follows:
PCT: Day 1 - Day 30 20mg

[shifty_git]

Shifty -
should i run the Nolva as follows:
PCT: Day 1 - Day 30 20mg

20mg Should do the job.

If your ganna go for Nolva and clomid + an AI
follow pheednos pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626
*edit - pasted wrong link.

An example of HCG used in PCT
look at Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

To research why you need an AI AND a serm in ya PCT, look at this thread.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

[double chicken]

do you personally like to run HCG through the cycle or do the anthony roberts and run it PCT? from a gyno perspective, wouldnt it be safer to run HCG at PCT?

[shifty_git]

do you personally like to run HCG through the cycle or do the anthony roberts and run it PCT? from a gyno perspective, wouldnt it be safer to run HCG at PCT?

Well the whole HCG thing can be a good debate on here.

Some say through cycle, some say pct only.

Ive done both, but have prefered while on cycle with heavier courses (test and npp) as keeps the nuts at size so ready to produce as much test as possible, And as normally already taking an AI like arimidex any HCG gyno risk is minimal.

Towards the end of the cycle and into pct covers both bases...
But decision is yours.