winney v, what do you think??

[tksmooth30]

Hello, I started 1cc a week deca and 15mg a day d-bol 2 weeks ago to start my cyle. I am now dropping the d-bol and continuing deca and beginning test 250 1cc a week, hcg twice a week, and arimidex throughout the next 10 weeks as the Doc told me to. I would like to add oral winney to the mix, but am not sure when or if I should to this cycle? He recommended that I not take d-bol with so thats why I'm dropping it. I have a good work out regimen, and watch diet as closley as possible age is 31 been lifting for 15yrs., goals are to bulk a little more, then cut up, currently I'm 245lbs, 20"arms, 53"chest 5'7" 40" waist. Any suggestions. I would appreciate positive input, so for those who are into cutting down on here, don't waste your time in putting anything negative, everyone is trying to get educated on here, not cut down! Thanks guys!

[tksmooth30]

Come on guys, I've had 30 people look at this post and not one recommendation?

[shifty_git]

Few questions.

1. Why did you start deca and dbol only and only now starting the test?

2. What reason did your doc give for saying stop the dbol?

3. What is your bf%?

4. Whats your first goal - to bulk or to cut?

[tksmooth30]

I didn't get the test in on time and at the time didn't know if it would really matter, the doc told me that d-bol is rather toxic and typically people don't keep the gains ( which I found to not be true), not sure about that one! I'm not sure of my BF, though I would like to know. I'm guessing 20-25% which I know is considered a lard ass compared to what I'm reading on here, but I'm working at lowering it.My goals are to gain size and strength then trim down before summer(I'm in Michigan) I'm definately learning fast on here and appreciate your help. Thanks.

[shifty_git]

id personally stay off aas at 20-25% bf as aas can put added pressure on the heart (especially when lifting hard) and raise blood pressure.

id go with diet, cardio and clen to loose the bf first...

most orals are liver toxic, winny is more so than dbol infact. so if your doc told you to take winny over dbol simply cause of liver toxicity then he's a fool.

[tksmooth30]

No, he didn't mention the winny, that was my idea, funny you mention the bp thing, before I ever used my bp was always 130 over 80 since then I'm at 110 over 65 that make any sense? I may be below the 20% bf guess, I have no idea really, if I were to stay on track with the cycle mentioned, what would you suggest I do, leave the winney alone and just go with the test, deca, hgc, and arim or work it in? I did try clen last spring and didn't have much luck with it, I talked to a couple people about it and possibly I wasn't taking enough, I can't remember how much now, it's been awhile.

[im83931]

Are you thinking winny inj or tabs?

[tksmooth30]

I have the winny tabs

[djcj2002]

The tabs would be even worse on the liver than the inj. If you're anywhere near 20% bf, I would say hit some serious cardio, a strict diet, amd maybe some clen. Just ramp it up until you see some mild sides (personally, i don't go over 120mcg/day). Get that bf down, than entertain aas.

[shifty_git]

The tabs would be even worse on the liver than the inj. If you're anywhere near 20% bf, I would say hit some serious cardio, a strict diet, amd maybe some clen. Just ramp it up until you see some mild sides (personally, i don't go over 120mcg/day). Get that bf down, than entertain aas.

Very good advice!

[tksmooth30]

Thanks guys!