Michael Vick plead guilty...

[kfrost06]

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Two of Michael Vick's alleged cohorts in a grisly dogfighting case pleaded guilty Friday, and one said the Atlanta Falcons quarterback joined them in drowning and hanging dogs that underperformed.

With his NFL career in jeopardy and a superseding indictment in the works to add more charges, Vick and his lawyers have been talking with federal prosecutors about a possible plea agreement.

Now that all three co-defendants have entered plea bargains, Vick is on his own to cut a deal or face trial on federal charges.

The court docket did not list any appearance for Vick. One of his lawyers, Lawrence Woodward, attended Friday's hearings and declined to answer questions as he left the courthouse.

Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach and Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta entered plea agreements and joined defendant Tony Taylor of Hampton, who struck a similar deal last month. The agreements require the three to cooperate in the government's case against Vick.

Sentencing is scheduled for Peace and Phillips on Nov. 30 and Taylor on Dec. 14. Vick has been barred from training camp by the NFL and is to go on trial Nov. 26.

A statement signed by Phillips as part of his plea agreement said Vick participated in the execution of about eight dogs, some by drowning and hanging.

"Phillips agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick," the statement said.

Phillips and Peace also backed Taylor's assertion that Vick was involved in gambling.

"The 'Bad Newz Kennels' operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick," statements by the two men say.

Peace and Phillips were charged with conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.

"Did you conspire with these folks to sponsor a dogfighting venture?" U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson asked Peace.

He replied, "Yes, sir."

The offenses are punishable by up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine, but the exact sentence will be based largely on federal sentencing guidelines. Hudson told Peace and Phillips that certain elements of their offenses will increase their sentencing ranges.

"There are aggravating circumstances in this case, there's no doubt about it," he told Phillips.

While Peace was freed, Hudson found that Phillips violated terms of his release by failing a drug test and ordered him jailed. Phillips also is on probation for a drug conviction in Atlanta, and the guilty plea could mean more jail time in that case, Hudson said.

Any outcome that ties Vick to betting on the dogfights could trigger a lifetime ban from the NFL under the league's personal conduct policy.

The 27-year-old quarterback was linked to betting by a statement signed by Taylor, who pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with the government, and the July 17 indictment.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell withheld further action while the NFL conducts its own investigation. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league had no comment on the latest pleas.

About 30 animal-rights activists gathered outside the courtroom. Afterward, as police officers cleared the scene, protesters continued waving large pictures of a mutilated dog.

"This is one dogfighting ring that's been annihilated," said John Goodwin, a spokesman for the Humane Society of the United States.

The four defendants all initially pleaded not guilty, and Vick issued a statement saying he looked forward to clearing his name.

A statement of facts signed by Taylor as part of his plea agreement placed Vick at the scene of several dogfights and linked him to betting. Taylor said Vick financed virtually all the "Bad Newz Kennels" operation on Vick's property in Surry County.

The case began with a search in April that turned up dozens of pit bulls and an assortment of dogfighting paraphernalia at the property, a few miles from Vick's hometown of Newport News. According to the indictment, dogs that lost fights or fared poorly in test fights were sometimes executed by hanging, electrocution or other means.

[RA]

Hell cut a deal too

[kfrost06]

Could this mean jail time for Vick? Should it mean jail time?

[RA]

Oh yeah...hes going to jail for sure.

[m8intl]

Could this mean jail time for Vick? Should it mean jail time?

If he's found guilty, I hope he goes to jail. Drowning and hanging dogs? That's some fvcked up shit. Who the fvck gets their jollies killing animals?

[305GUY]

Could this mean jail time for Vick? Should it mean jail time?

Oh i really hope so, and it looks like it just might happen.. yippie!... they need to make an example out of Vick for the other rich-wannabe-gangsta millionaires in the NFL and NBA, but besides that anyone who can kill a dog in such a way can easily kill a human IMO. i mean how the f*ck can you drown, or hang, and even electrocute a dog for f*ck sake!?!? you gotta be sick in the head to do that imo...

[Kratos]

My sister has an abused bull dog that was trained to fight. It is an incredibly cruel sport, in training, fighting, and the death that usually follows. When she got the dog he was starved down to 25 pounds (should be 60 or 70) to make him more agressive. After they get done starving the dogs the take small puppies, stuff their rectums with meat, and put the dogs in a cage together. The fighting dogs learn to connect food with ripping another dog apart. I have no respect for anyone who thinks dog fights are cool.

[Logan13]

Anyone still want to stick up for him?

[kfrost06]

someone will and it will be a liberal, no doubts about that.

[dwaynewade]

Oh i really hope so, and it looks like it just might happen.. yippie!... they need to make an example out of Vick for the other rich-wannabe-gangsta millionaires in the NFL and NBA, but besides that anyone who can kill a dog in such a way can easily kill a human IMO. i mean how the f*ck can you drown, or hang, and even electrocute a dog for f*ck sake!?!? you gotta be sick in the head to do that imo...

DITTO...this shit is KRZ

[Hoggage_54]

When one of Vick's dogs gave up a fight, they were either drowned, electrocuted, hung, or beaten to death against the ground. Now since it looks like Vick might be giving up his fight, by his own standards, shouldn't that mean the same for him?

[Mogamedogz]

Hopefully (if he pleas), he will be punished accordingly. No more lenient (or harshly) than what the law calls for.

[Flagg]

Well I just hope Vick doesn't get the Hilton treatment in the slammer, though his crime is abhorant compared to her.

**** someone should toss that prick into a pit full of tigers.

[BgMc31]

someone will and it will be a liberal, no doubts about that.

Stop trying to make this a liberal v. conservative issue, Kfrost. Especially since PETA is the organization leading this witch hunt. And there is no denying that PETA is one of the most liberal organizations in the world.

As for Logans statement... I don't think anyone was defending him. All anyone was saying was let the punishment fit the crime. Hell, the woman who shot her preacher husband didn't get as much time as Vick will get and she killed a human being and the father of two children. Many murderers don't get the punishment that Vick is facing.

As much as I love my bulldog (whom I rescued from a shelter here in Vegas, and was used for fighting), but to many he's just a dog. And in many parts of this country and the world they are looked upon as just that... dogs!!! As long as people get lenient jail sentences for murder, DUI resulting in death,drug dealing, wife beating, and other heinous crimes then I will continue tcall this a witch hunt. We are all suffer from Snoopy syndrome.

As a matter of fact, recently here in Nevada, a man threw a sack full of new born pups out the window of his truck, drove over them and all he got was 6mos probation and a $1500 fine. I guarantee Mike Vick would get a similar punishment if he weren't Mike Vick.

[dwaynewade]

Stop trying to make this a liberal v. conservative issue, Kfrost. Especially since PETA is the organization leading this witch hunt. And there is no denying that PETA is one of the most liberal organizations in the world.

As for Logans statement... I don't think anyone was defending him. All anyone was saying was let the punishment fit the crime. Hell, the woman who shot her preacher husband didn't get as much time as Vick will get and she killed a human being and the father of two children. Many murderers don't get the punishment that Vick is facing.

As much as I love my bulldog (whom I rescued from a shelter here in Vegas, and was used for fighting), but to many he's just a dog. And in many parts of this country and the world they are looked upon as just that... dogs!!! As long as people get lenient jail sentences for murder, DUI resulting in death,drug dealing, wife beating, and other heinous crimes then I will continue tcall this a witch hunt. We are all suffer from Snoopy syndrome.

As a matter of fact, recently here in Nevada, a man threw a sack full of new born pups out the window of his truck, drove over them and all he got was 6mos probation and a $1500 fine. I guarantee Mike Vick would get a similar punishment if he weren't Mike Vick.

WTF????

PPL in Nevada are nuts! no pun intended

[Logan13]

WTF????

PPL in Nevada are nuts! no pun intended

The difference is that Vick caught a Federal indictment, not a state one like in Bg's example. But Bg will probably say that this has nothing to do with it. The difference in his mind is that the guy in Nevada was probably white, and Vick is black........

[jerseyboy]

I still want to see Vick put in the ring with Quinton Jackson. Let Jackson pound on this coward for a few minutes so he can see first hand what it feels like. I would take great pleasure in watching this scumbag cry for mercy as he's bleeding on the ground.

[dwaynewade]

I still want to see Vick put in the ring with Quinton Jackson. Let Jackson pound on this coward for a few minutes so he can see first hand what it feels like. I would take great pleasure in watching this scumbag cry for mercy as he's bleeding on the ground.

then we'll wet him and then...

[BgMc31]

I still want to see Vick put in the ring with Quinton Jackson. Let Jackson pound on this coward for a few minutes so he can see first hand what it feels like. I would take great pleasure in watching this scumbag cry for mercy as he's bleeding on the ground.

Why is he a coward? Yeah he's a scumbag for fighting dogs, but he never backed down from anyone or anybody. And anyone who puts his body on the line and plays football the way he does, ain't no coward. Maybe you should try it sometime...

[BgMc31]

The difference is that Vick caught a Federal indictment, not a state one like in Bg's example. But Bg will probably say that this has nothing to do with it. The difference in his mind is that the guy in Nevada was probably white, and Vick is black........

Actually the guy in Nevada was black Logan. And how do you know what goes on in my mind? Your antics are getting old and you're beginning to sound desperate. Again you're a racist bigot, everyone knows it, so stop trying to paint others with your miscolored brush! You're in a class all by yourself so enjoy the loneliness.

As for you comments about a Federal indictment, the federal indictment that carries the most weight is the interstate commerce (gambling) that's alleged, not necessarily the dog fighting. And did you forget that the state of Virginia is also preparing charges that carry 3-5yrs for the dog fighting itself.

[jerseyboy]

Why is he a coward? Yeah he's a scumbag for fighting dogs, but he never backed down from anyone or anybody. And anyone who puts his body on the line and plays football the way he does, ain't no coward. Maybe you should try it sometime...

He's a ****ing coward because he doesn't step in the ring himself and do his own fighting. He lets some poor dog do it so he can feel like a tough guy. Yeah football is a rough sport but it is nothing like submission fighting. Not only am I too old but I have no athletic talent or I would be glad to play football. What's there to be afraid of? You get hit and maybe break some bones. Big deal. He's getting paid millions to risk injury. What did his dogs get? A bowl of food if they one. A good bludgeoning or a hanging if they lose. He's a ****ing coward because he abuses defenseless dogs for his own sick amusement.

[BgMc31]

I played professional footballl so I believe you are over simplifying the sport with probably the best pure athletes on the planet. I don't want to try to turn this into a submission fighting vs football debate, but these guys get paid millions for a reason. And if football wasn't so tough, then why do more guys die and sustain many more delibitating injuries playing football than submission fighting, boxing, or MMA (total numbers and percentage wise). Tell you what try getting into a car accident 40-60 times a day for 20+ years and see how tough it is.

The man's no coward. Piece of shit... yeah, but coward... no. I've brought this up before, since Roy Jones fights and so does his chickens, I guess he's no coward, but a piece of shit all the same...

[jerseyboy]

Well one things for sure. Vick won't be playing football again any time soon.

[Mogamedogz]

I played professional footballl so I believe you are over simplifying the sport with probably the best pure athletes on the planet. I don't want to try to turn this into a submission fighting vs football debate, but these guys get paid millions for a reason. And if football wasn't so tough, then why do more guys die and sustain many more delibitating injuries playing football than submission fighting, boxing, or MMA (total numbers and percentage wise). Tell you what try getting into a car accident 40-60 times a day for 20+ years and see how tough it is.

The man's no coward. Piece of shit... yeah, but coward... no. I've brought this up before, since Roy Jones fights and so does his chickens, I guess he's no coward, but a piece of shit all the same...

I agree with just about everything you say in this thread. You are spot on IMO.

Shit... I admire fighting dogs. (Not to be confused with condoning Dog Fighting). I think they are very unique and special animals. My handle (and OG fantasy football team name) derives from Fighting dogs. Mo= More, Game=Gamebred, Dogz. My wife and I run a small rescue for Pit Bulls, especially those who were used for fighting. They make WONDERFUL pets actually! Believe it or not, TRUE fighting dogs are NOT HUMAN AGGRESSIVE!! Most people dont know this, because they listen to all the BS they hear from the media.

It's not like these guys were forcing the dogs to fight... they ALLOWED them to fight. After all, they are "Fighting" dogs. Just like Greyhounds are bred to run, Pit Bulldogs are bred to "fight". That doesnt make it MORALLY ok to enter them into Pit matches... but it is no more wrong than hunting defenseless animals for sport IMO.

Personally, I find what they did disgusting. But I think people are overreacting to this thing.... BIG TIME. Fighting a dog and being a coward have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Vick should be punished for breaking the law (if he pleads or is found guilty), but it shouldnt be anymore excessive than what the usual sentence is. At the end of the day... dogs are NOT HUMANS. I think our culture is wayyyy too sensitive about this kind of thing. JMO.

[brewerpi]

In 1998 Leonard Little of the NFL (Rams) killed a 47 year old woman while driving drunk-he did 9 months in jail and was suspended for 8 games. He has been caught driving drunk again but his lawyer convinced a jury that the arresting officer did not properly administer the 3 field sobriety tests, that Little failed.
By that standard, sending Vick to prison for killing dogs is silly. Having said that I hope he gets at least 18 months. When he has served his time if some team wants to hire him I say fine-tell PETA to go back to protesting Oscar Meyer...
I live across the street from four pitbulls and they are docile, playful animals, therefore I don't buy in to the notion that these animals are fighters and Vick and his scumbag crew were "allowing" them to fight.
I think you have to do a lot of cruel and unusual crap to those dogs to get them that way, and that the people involved enjoyed it and enjoy killing the animals when they don't perform.

[jerseyboy]

At the end of the day... dogs are NOT HUMANS. I think our culture is wayyyy too sensitive about this kind of thing. JMO.

No actually in many ways they're better. They aren't malicious. They can't be fake, put up a front, lie or pretend they're something they aren't. Most people will screw you any chance they get. Dogs are more loyal and their love is unconditional. To most dogs and Pits especially, pleasing there owner and being close to him is there main concern. They are very simple creatures that rely on us for care and protection. When I see people abusing and neglecting them it makes me furious. Call me overly sensitive. Dogs bring me more joy than most people have.
As for my statement that Vick is a coward. I stand by it. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. As a matter of fact I find it trivial to even argue the point. It's not even relevant to the issue that I find dog fighting cowardly. The man won't do any kind of real fighting himself but relies on his dogs to try and prove his manliness for him. His ability to play professional football does not change anything. My buddy plays arena football. I respect him for it, I think it's very cool and takes alot of talent. But when he told me he was going to play my first thought wasn't how brave he was. It's a sport. It's not like he's going off to war. I have more than a few friends that have served in Iraq and at least one who is going back. To me, they are the brave ones.

[Big]

No actually in many ways they're better. They aren't malicious. They can't be fake, put up a front, lie or pretend they're something they aren't. Most people will screw you any chance they get. Dogs are more loyal and their love is unconditional. To most dogs and Pits especially, pleasing there owner and being close to him is there main concern. They are very simple creatures that rely on us for care and protection. When I see people abusing and neglecting them it makes me furious. Call me overly sensitive. Dogs bring me more joy than most people have.
As for my statement that Vick is a coward. I stand by it. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. As a matter of fact I find it trivial to even argue the point. It's not even relevant to the issue that I find dog fighting cowardly. The man won't do any kind of real fighting himself but relies on his dogs to try and prove his manliness for him. His ability to play professional football does not change anything. My buddy plays arena football. I respect him for it, I think it's very cool and takes alot of talent. But when he told me he was going to play my first thought wasn't how brave he was. It's a sport. It's not like he's going off to war. I have more than a few friends that have served in Iraq and at least one who is going back. To me, they are the brave ones.

very well stated

[dwaynewade]

wow... ditto

[Logan13]

very well stated

+1.........

[Logan13]

Actually the guy in Nevada was black Logan.

So are you trying to insinuate that black men have no compassion for animals?

[jerseyboy]

Oh Christ now it's a race issue. The dogfighting ring that was busted here a few years back was run buy some white guy out of his fathers warehouse. I don't remember for sure but I believe it lost his father his business.

[Mogamedogz]

No actually in many ways they're better.

...IMO, this line of thinking is a bigger problem than dog fighting.

NO. They are NOT BETTER. They are lesser creatures than "man". We are ABOVE them on the food chain. We OWN them... we control what/when/if they eat. We decide when they should breed, and when we should put them to death. As much as we love them, and accept selected ones as members of our family.... In REALITY, they are still JUST dogs.

While all of the touchy feely stuff you said is true (about their unconditional love and loyalty), it still does not make their lives EQUAL to the live of a human being. ANY human being.

My wife and I run a small Pit Bull rescue league (we have for the last eight years). I would bet anything I own, that we have sacrificed more of our time, energy, and MONEY for the good of the breed, than any of the other people in this thread COMBINED. I have spent my entire life (and will spend the rest of my life) fighting for the well being of these dogs. That said; I would sacrifice the lives of 1000 dogs if I knew it would save the life of ONE human being.

That’s not to say I condone dog fighting, or condone inhumane treatment of animals, just that I consider human life more valuable. (I’m sure being human, probably has something to do with that! )

Now don’t get me wrong... I LOVE MY DOGS. But all the theoretical and spiritual mumbo-jumbo really isn’t relevant to this discussion IMO.

As far as you people who think these dogs were "Forced" to fight... step back and think really hard about that.

If you race dogs as a hobby, and $$ is not an option, are you going to buy your brood stock from a family of dogs who are known for producing sub-par racing dogs?? No. You are going to buy top of the line quality dogs, from a winning bloodline. You will not have to TRAIN the dogs to chase a rabbit. They will know to do it instinctually.

Same goes for "top of the line quality" fighting dogs. They do not have to be TAUGHT to fight. They are born with the instinct to do it. (This shouldn’t be confused with HUMAN AGRESSION which most TRUE fighting dogs are NOT born with.) If you have ever seen a litter of fighting dog puppies, you would notice that from the time they can walk and play, they are ALREADY going at it!! I have seen litters of puppies who would kill one another by 9 weeks old. Literally.

Listen guys... I LOVE my dogs (probably more than most). The closest friend I ever knew in my life was a dog. If anyone were to hurt my dogs (without reason), I would most likely try to hurt them in return.

HOWEVER, I just can not equate a dog’s life, to that of a human being. It just seems silly to me. Maybe im just not wired to be as sensitive as others... who knows!?

But if you all REALLY want to help out… donate $$ to “NO KILL” shelters; particularly those which rescue APBT’s (American Pit Bull Terriers), and not PETA or HSUS. If you can’t find any, email me, and I will send you a list of them.

Just PLEASE... stop being "Sheeple". Nothing good ever comes from a Mob Mentality. Bashing Vick does NOTHING to help the cause which you all seem to be so passionate about. Stop whining and dreaming up rediculously harsh punishments, and SUPPORT the folks who have the best interest of these dogs in mind. I assure you, PETA and HSUS DO NOT. They KILL more (adoptable) Pit Bulls every year (which are unfairly deemed "Vicious") than ANYONE.

[RA]

...IMO, this line of thinking is a bigger problem than dog fighting.

NO. They are NOT BETTER. They are lesser creatures than "man". We are ABOVE them on the food chain. We OWN them... we control what/when/if they eat. We decide when they should breed, and when we should put them to death. As much as we love them, and accept selected ones as members of our family.... In REALITY, they are still JUST dogs.

While all of the touchy feely stuff you said is true (about their unconditional love and loyalty), it still does not make their lives EQUAL to the live of a human being. ANY human being.

My wife and I run a small Pit Bull rescue league (we have for the last eight years). I would bet anything I own, that we have sacrificed more of our time, energy, and MONEY for the good of the breed, than any of the other people in this thread COMBINED. I have spent my entire life (and will spend the rest of my life) fighting for the well being of these dogs. That said; I would sacrifice the lives of 1000 dogs if I knew it would save the life of ONE human being.

That’s not to say I condone dog fighting, or condone inhumane treatment of animals, just that I consider human life more valuable. (I’m sure being human, probably has something to do with that! )

Now don’t get me wrong... I LOVE MY DOGS. But all the theoretical and spiritual mumbo-jumbo really isn’t relevant to this discussion IMO.

As far as you people who think these dogs were "Forced" to fight... step back and think really hard about that.

If you race dogs as a hobby, and $$ is not an option, are you going to buy your brood stock from a family of dogs who are known for producing sub-par racing dogs?? No. You are going to buy top of the line quality dogs, from a winning bloodline. You will not have to TRAIN the dogs to chase a rabbit. They will know to do it instinctually.

Same goes for "top of the line quality" fighting dogs. They do not have to be TAUGHT to fight. They are born with the instinct to do it. (This shouldn’t be confused with HUMAN AGRESSION which most TRUE fighting dogs are NOT born with.) If you have ever seen a litter of fighting dog puppies, you would notice that from the time they can walk and play, they are ALREADY going at it!! I have seen litters of puppies who would kill one another by 9 weeks old. Literally.

Listen guys... I LOVE my dogs (probably more than most). The closest friend I ever knew in my life was a dog. If anyone were to hurt my dogs (without reason), I would most likely try to hurt them in return.

HOWEVER, I just can not equate a dog’s life, to that of a human being. It just seems silly to me. Maybe im just not wired to be as sensitive as others... who knows!?

But if you all REALLY want to help out… donate $$ to “NO KILL” shelters; particularly those which rescue APBT’s (American Pit Bull Terriers), and not PETA or HSUS. If you can’t find any, email me, and I will send you a list of them.

Just PLEASE... stop being "Sheeple". Nothing good ever comes from a Mob Mentality. Bashing Vick does NOTHING to help the cause which you all seem to be so passionate about. Stop whining and dreaming up rediculously harsh punishments, and SUPPORT the folks who have the best interest of these dogs in mind. I assure you, PETA and HSUS DO NOT. They KILL more (adoptable) Pit Bulls every year (which are unfairly deemed "Vicious") than ANYONE.

Done with the soapbox??

Im going to make up signs. Vick is a dick

[Mogamedogz]

Done with the soapbox??

Im going to make up signs. Vick is a dick

I have MORE than earned my right to preech atop this one bro. Trust me.

[jon77]

Hmmmm....I C, very interesting comments on here. I live near Atlanta and the media blows this story up every single night. I do have some thoughts on this issue,but I will keep them to myself,as I'm sure they will bring about more tension in this thread than there already is. But I will say this. This team is done already. Dunn is hurt, Crumpler is hurt, too many other injuries to list. Mora was fired for comments he made during the season last year to a radio talk show in Seattle. Mora was the best thing that happened to this team in a long time, and now he's gone. I've always been a fan, but this year, I'm gonna have to cheer on Green Bay, as this is Brett's last season........new record approaching!!!!

[ginkobulloba]

Right on dude, go Packers! Favre is gonna let some magic fly this year, it could be his last season. Vick's done for as a NFL qb, at least that's the way it's shaping up at this point.

[dwaynewade]

...IMO, this line of thinking is a bigger problem than dog fighting.

NO. They are NOT BETTER. They are lesser creatures than "man". We are ABOVE them on the food chain. We OWN them... we control what/when/if they eat. We decide when they should breed, and when we should put them to death. As much as we love them, and accept selected ones as members of our family.... In REALITY, they are still JUST dogs.

While all of the touchy feely stuff you said is true (about their unconditional love and loyalty), it still does not make their lives EQUAL to the live of a human being. ANY human being.

My wife and I run a small Pit Bull rescue league (we have for the last eight years). I would bet anything I own, that we have sacrificed more of our time, energy, and MONEY for the good of the breed, than any of the other people in this thread COMBINED. I have spent my entire life (and will spend the rest of my life) fighting for the well being of these dogs. That said; I would sacrifice the lives of 1000 dogs if I knew it would save the life of ONE human being.

That’s not to say I condone dog fighting, or condone inhumane treatment of animals, just that I consider human life more valuable. (I’m sure being human, probably has something to do with that! )

Now don’t get me wrong... I LOVE MY DOGS. But all the theoretical and spiritual mumbo-jumbo really isn’t relevant to this discussion IMO.

As far as you people who think these dogs were "Forced" to fight... step back and think really hard about that.

If you race dogs as a hobby, and $$ is not an option, are you going to buy your brood stock from a family of dogs who are known for producing sub-par racing dogs?? No. You are going to buy top of the line quality dogs, from a winning bloodline. You will not have to TRAIN the dogs to chase a rabbit. They will know to do it instinctually.

Same goes for "top of the line quality" fighting dogs. They do not have to be TAUGHT to fight. They are born with the instinct to do it. (This shouldn’t be confused with HUMAN AGRESSION which most TRUE fighting dogs are NOT born with.) If you have ever seen a litter of fighting dog puppies, you would notice that from the time they can walk and play, they are ALREADY going at it!! I have seen litters of puppies who would kill one another by 9 weeks old. Literally.

Listen guys... I LOVE my dogs (probably more than most). The closest friend I ever knew in my life was a dog. If anyone were to hurt my dogs (without reason), I would most likely try to hurt them in return.

HOWEVER, I just can not equate a dog’s life, to that of a human being. It just seems silly to me. Maybe im just not wired to be as sensitive as others... who knows!?

But if you all REALLY want to help out… donate $$ to “NO KILL” shelters; particularly those which rescue APBT’s (American Pit Bull Terriers), and not PETA or HSUS. If you can’t find any, email me, and I will send you a list of them.

Just PLEASE... stop being "Sheeple". Nothing good ever comes from a Mob Mentality. Bashing Vick does NOTHING to help the cause which you all seem to be so passionate about. Stop whining and dreaming up rediculously harsh punishments, and SUPPORT the folks who have the best interest of these dogs in mind. I assure you, PETA and HSUS DO NOT. They KILL more (adoptable) Pit Bulls every year (which are unfairly deemed "Vicious") than ANYONE.

hmm... sounds ironic coming from you and your experience with dogs, it is a somewhat an objective point of view, but there are many ppl that see it differently. I think compassion plays a role. And i see all animals as my equal. Whether we are atop of the food chain or not. I do however respect your opinion and admire the work you do to help those poor dogs.

[RA]

I have MORE than earned my right to preech atop this one bro. Trust me.

You say you dont condone it, thats good. Some people want to take out their frustration about an idiot who abuses animals in a thread on the internet and your calling them "sheeple"

If you truly dont condone it then whats the fuss?

[kfrost06]

hmm... sounds ironic coming from you and your experience with dogs, it is a somewhat an objective point of view, but there are many ppl that see it differently. I think compassion plays a role. And i see all animals as my equal. Whether we are atop of the food chain or not. I do however respect your opinion and admire the work you do to help those poor dogs.

animals as equals to humans?

[kfrost06]

RICHMOND, Virginia (Ticker) - Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick has reportedly accepted a plea deal on federal charges relating to allegations of his involvement in a professional dogfighting operation.

The Virginian-Pilot newspaper is reporting on its website that Vick's attorney Lawrence Woodward said Vick has accepted a deal which will include jail time.

He will formally enter the guilty plea next Monday, the newspaper reported.

"Mike's accepting full responsibility," Woodward told the newspaper. "He's going to do everything he can personally and professionally to make this situation right."

Earlier on Monday, CNN had reported that federal prosecutors had offered Vick a deal recommending an 18-to-36 month prison sentence.

According to the Virginian-Pilot, Vick is expected to serve at least a year, but the final decision will rest with the judge.

Vick is among four men who allegedly formed the business called "Bad Newz Kennels" that are charged with federal conspiracy dogfighting charges.

The others accused, Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips, and Troy Taylor, had entered into plea agreements with federal prosecutors and were said to be ready to testify against Vick.

Peace and Phillips made their decisions Friday. Prior to that, Vick had appeared ready to fight the charges.