one+/1,4 andro stack

[Pete]

Hey guys what's up. I just bought a supplement called one+ by Avant labs and I was wondering if anyone had any expierence stacking this with 1,4 andro. Also, when I am using the one+ would it be wise to use an anti-estrogen supp while on it. I would appreciate any input. Thanks bro's.

[FromFleshtoSteel]

bellicose knows all about that shit, pm him if he doesn't respond because he was talking that stuff up on another thread

[Buddha_Red]

if you can find an effective anti-E supp by all means take it.
the gyno risks with those products is just as real as with juice.

[Pete]

thanks bro.

[Dante]

Boldione has been used before with ONE+, although by far it is not a necessity. The combination of 1-Test/4AD as in ONE+ alone will be far more than sufficient to strike your fancy, although Boldione can further increase appetite and enhance marginal gains (but it would not be profound---so it depends on your budget; if it allows for such use, then certainly Boldione can help).

Anti-E's are not needed, as most do not use so upon their ONE+ cycle (this is 4AD, not 4Dione; however if one is prone to Gyno, then that would not be a bad idea in which regards Ergo's 6OXO can be used [for an OTC aid]).

[Buddha_Red]

i always suggest anti-e's because do you really want to take the risk and find out too late you are prone to gyno?

[Dante]

4AD (Diol, not Dione---"Andro") has never had report of Gyno induction from its use, save from those who previously had Gyno (or had the starting formation of it). That's what I meant by susceptibility.

Estrogenic formation will not be to the same degree as using straight Test (since 4AD has to convert first, and in itself [before conversion] it may possess intrinsic activity [this is assuming moderate amounts, too]). Some Estrogen is most helpful for strength and size (plus to maintain overall well-being and lust; 1-Test alone can decrease both).

[Dante]

Chrysin in normal (non cost-prohibitive) amounts will bring not a thing; this is due to its low oral availability.

As for "all" OTC products being garbage, perhaps one should think of Ephedrine/Caffeine and Yohimbine HCL. Oh, unless one considers that garbage as well.

That's what happens when all products ("OTC") are grouped together; categorical dismissal replaces critical thinking.