Need 2nd cycle advice

[justwillard]

Hey all,
I'm trying to decide what i want to go with for my second cycle. The first one i did about 7 months ago that lasted for 10 weeks. It was test sus for the first month and a half, then i added deca for the last month, then came off with clom, and used nolva and adex throughout the whole thing.
I would like to try a stack with dbol as the starter for just under 4 weeks, i have 28 pills. 50 mg each. My thinking was test sus again (i liked it) twice a week, at 1 cc per inject, nolva and adex, 1 pill of dbol a day for the first 28 days, and here is where im having trouble, i want something else to go to after the dbol is gone, i was thinking deca again, the only thing i dont like about it is it takes approx 18 months or so to get out of your system before it is undectable if i am not mistaken. would something like winstrol be a better choice? at the end i would come off with clomid just like last time. just wondering if you had any advice. thanks much

[mx3]

your pct needs work. see anthony roberts pct it works well. what are your goals for this cycle. (bulk,cut, ect.) also your gonna want to break up the dosage of dbol into at least twice ed. sus should be shot eod to keep blood levels stable. e3rd at the least. 125mg eod would be sufficient.

[ricker35910]

Hey all,
I'm trying to decide what i want to go with for my second cycle. The first one i did about 7 months ago that lasted for 10 weeks. It was test sus for the first month and a half, then i added deca for the last month, then came off with clom, and used nolva and adex throughout the whole thing.
I would like to try a stack with dbol as the starter for just under 4 weeks, i have 28 pills. 50 mg each. My thinking was test sus again (i liked it) twice a week, at 1 cc per inject, nolva and adex, 1 pill of dbol a day for the first 28 days, and here is where im having trouble, i want something else to go to after the dbol is gone, i was thinking deca again, the only thing i dont like about it is it takes approx 18 months or so to get out of your system before it is undectable if i am not mistaken. would something like winstrol be a better choice? at the end i would come off with clomid just like last time. just wondering if you had any advice. thanks much

there was alot of things that i don't like about your 1st cycle, for instance you ran sust for only 6 wks, should have ran for atleast 10. you started deca after you finished test, you should have started at beginning and ran test for 2wks longer than deca. you used nolva and adex thru cycle, no need for nolva you should have used it for pct with clomid... do some research before next cycle

[Bigmax]

need stats bro...we know youve done 1 cycle( not a great one)...what was the result???..

[justwillard]

no no, youve got it wrong, i didnt mean that i stopped taking test while i was on deca. i was doing both. i know that test is the base of every cycle. and while i was on deca i stopped taking nolva (if i remember right). it was a while ago. then when i came of i did do clom and nolva. sorry i didnt realize you needed me to be that detailed with my past cycle since its of no concern anymore. i appologize. as far as results...i didnt get an ass load of strength but i did get a hell of a lot of size. i gained about 25 lbs maybe a little more. i know that after working out for 11 months with the roids being at the end, i had gone from 170-215 lbs. my diet was extremely high in carbs, good cal, and protein so i know that had a lot to do with it as well. now im a steady 200 lbs. but back to my actual question, not what everyone thought of my last cycle. I dont have any problem cutting the dbol pills in half and taking twice a day. although i have read that just taking it at night will give better results. my test sus injection schedule last time was mon nights and thurs mornings. but what other than deca would give a good mid cycle add on, on top of running test sus the WHOLE time. i also know that i would have to take either adex or nolva or both the whole time but not sure what every steroid does to the estrogen levels. please help. thanks
feel free to let me know if i am unclear

[justwillard]

also, my goals for this next cycle is a lot of strength and some size. maybe get up to 220 lbs maybe a little more. but i do want more strength than what i got before.

[justwillard]

bump

[Njord]

Still waiting for stats. Age, height, weight, BF%

And are you talking test suspension or Sustanon?

[justwillard]

test sustanon. age 21, height 6' 2", weight 200, BF about 14%

[largerthannormal]

why did u add deca half way through? no sense to me..and i would split up that pill 50mg at once is no good!

[largerthannormal]

2nd cycle

week 1-4 (dbol) 40 ed (and split up to 4 times a day)
week 1-12 TEST E or C 500mg/ew (split into 2 shots every 3.5 days
week 1-10 Deca 400ew (can be added to the syringe with the test)

plus PCT
im sure you will see much better results
i only reccomended this because it seems as though u could get ur hands on these products

[mx3]

there are short esters in sustanon. so if you shoot twice a wk you will experience more sides than you need to. so are you saying you dont want to use deca and you want to sub it out? if you want to do it mid cycle it has to be a short estered compound. otherwise you need to start at the beginning.

[largerthannormal]

hopefully u didnt mean u ran nolva during cycle if so please take that out and keep AI on hand !

[mx3]

2nd cycle

week 1-4 (dbol) 40 ed (and split up to 4 times a day)
week 1-12 TEST E or C 500mg/ew (split into 2 shots every 3.5 days
week 1-10 Deca 400ew (can be added to the syringe with the test)

plus PCT
im sure you will see much better results
i only reccomended this because it seems as though u could get ur hands on these products

If your going to use deca this would be the way id go. although dbol split 4 times may be optimal twice ed would suffice your choice. It sounds like you dont want to shoot frequently so you should go for test e or c. like it states above.

[justwillard]

actually shooting doesnt bother me at all. i actually look forward to it! haha. the cycle that largerthannormal looks like what i have been seeing, and no, i wasnt taking novla while on deca. i think that is what you were asking. my question was what could i sub out deca with. i just didnt like how long its detectable in your system. 12-18 months i think? i may do dbol and deca just because i can get my hands on it. the reason i liked the sustanon was because it had the fasting acting esters along with the slow. so instead of not seeing any test gains for four weeks, you see it within days and also maintain it with the slow esters. correct me if im wrong on that statement. i really do appreciate your help though!

[ricker35910]

dbol wk 1-4 50 mgs split morning and afternoon
deca wk 1-10 300mgs on mon and 300 mgs on thurs
sust wk 1-12 125mgs eod...

[justwillard]

yea that sounds about right. could i get some good advice about the adex and nolva? ive really appreciated your help everyone. thanks a lot