Oral only for more keepable gains ?

[JasonR]

I've been thinking about ultra short cycles of orals only, 4 weeks on 4 weeks of at a very low dose, like 10-20mg ED. and nolva+HCG in between.

I assume that doing dbol or winny only will keep my natural test levels probably only half supressed, or even less so i wont crash completely in the 4 weeks off like you would on test. not to mention i am going to include aggressive PCT of HCG+NOLVA.

we are talking about 10-20mg dbol ED, or 10mg dbol+10mg winny.
4 on, 4 off, year round. liver functions+count done every month.

Do you think its a good idea ?
Before you all bodybuilders are going to say 10mg is not going to do anything, then i agree that ill be lucky to gain 10lbs, but the recovery, explosive power and strength gains will be enough.

I have no problem using susp for 6 week cycles, but then i'll crash for another 4 weeks till my natural levels restore. even with PCT.
all you scientists out there let me know what you think.

[Bigmax]

IMO a waste of time...

[JasonR]

common bigmax ur a pro bodybuilder you guys always laugh at our doses hehe
what do u suggest then ?

[Kratos]

I hate it, supression happens quickly, atrophy happens more slowly, so you will be avoiding glandular atrophy to a degree. The hcg is a bad idea, you are going to kill your pituitary being forever on hcg/and or on cycle. I don't believe nolva to counteract LH inhibition because the rise in test alone from hcg is enough to elinimate endogenous LH.

[10nispro]

If he wants to stick to just orals, could he not do a 6 weeker of TBOL? I realize its not DBOL, but he wouldn't have to do a crazy pct like he is asking about. I do agree that the short cycle system is not the way to go.

Also, I love when Kratos brings out the Taber's!!!!

[Kratos]

Also, I love when Kratos brings out the Taber's!!!!

I don't need a medical dictionary, I'm a huge nerd

[lmsays]

It might be ok but I'd prefer var to dbol, that way you would know it was a true gain and not bloat. I've used aromasin and nolvadex pct but recently used armidex for pct and got morning wood again quicker than ever.

[noneyours]

After about three weeks on tbol, your dick wont stay completely hard. Why would you want to risk getting a bad rep with a group of girls just so you can only use an oral?

[soulstealer]

I personally think your theories are correct but your timing and running it everyother month seems much along with your doses being too low.... and NO HCG if I was going to do an oral only cycle for 4 weeks it would be something like this

50mg Dbol ED weeks 1-4
aromasin ED 10mg weeks 1-4 20mg weeks 5-6
Nolvadex ED 10mg weeks 1-4 20mg weeks 5-7 10mg week 8

But I still think you would be wasting your time.... just my 2 cents

[Schmidty]

Waste of time IMO.

[Sculpture]

3 weeks on tbol and yer dick will be happier than ever, whoever said it wont, doesnt speak from personal expirience..

[Sculpture]

4 weeks on and 4 off with 20mg d-bol is actually a damn effective idea and everyone here should back off of Jason. My only alteration would be to take a few weeks after the nolva to clean out my liver since yer coming off d-bol and still on orals the whole time with nolva cuz it's toxic too.

[Schmidty]

4 weeks on and 4 off with 20mg d-bol is actually a damn effective idea and everyone here should back off of Jason.

My only alteration would be to take a few weeks after the nolva to clean out my liver since yer coming off d-bol and still on orals the whole time with nolva cuz it's toxic too.

IMO its not,1 i think u need more time off, 2 the doses he was sayn are to low to seee anything from, 3 If ur on for more then 2weeks (IMO) u must have a PCT, time on+t=PCT=time off needed. But there is no 1 set way to use aas. to each their own...

[Teras]

I'm just done with pct after an experimental 4 weeks and a half oral only cycle. Check my thread in cycle results. I took high doses d-bol + winny though. Next time around I'm doing drol only for 5 weeks. But I'm happy with the strength gains, and didn't feel like I "crashed" too bad like you would with test, as you mentioned. Give it a try and let us know how it works for you.

[Sculpture]

I've made great gains from 20mg per day d-bol. People try taking 40+ mg per day and then complain about bloat but at 20mg per day its very nice hard solid gains and no sides, plus natural test levels will only be down about 1/3 at that dose so 4 weeks off you should revover very well.

[Wizeguy]

A few things:
I dont think there is such a thing as half suppressed. Your either producing test or your not.
Also IMO I believe injectables are far better for keepable gains.

[Sculpture]

Well wiseguy i hate to have to argue but there is deffinitely such thing as half suppression or 20% or 80% or whatever. Many studies show that the body still produces some test while on AAS depending on which AAS and how high the dosages are.

[Wizeguy]

Well wiseguy i hate to have to argue but there is deffinitely such thing as half suppression or 20% or 80% or whatever. Many studies show that the body still produces some test while on AAS depending on which AAS and how high the dosages are.

I'm sure you could be right. But the average male produces approx. 70mg of test a week. So, if your taking more than that why would the body produce any or a percentage there of ?

[Dog-Slime]

After about three weeks on tbol, your dick wont stay completely hard. Why would you want to risk getting a bad rep with a group of girls just so you can only use an oral?

Dunno what you were taking but it was not t-bol (or something is wrong with you)

I personally think your theories are correct but your timing and running it everyother month seems much along with your doses being too low.... and NO HCG if I was going to do an oral only cycle for 4 weeks it would be something like this

50mg Dbol ED weeks 1-4
aromasin ED 10mg weeks 1-4 20mg weeks 5-6
Nolvadex ED 10mg weeks 1-4 20mg weeks 5-7 10mg week 8

But I still think you would be wasting your time.... just my 2 cents

I agree but would swap the dbol for tbol. I have had a good experience with that exact cycle.

I'm sure you could be right. But the average male produces approx. 70mg of test a week. So, if your taking more than that why would the body produce any or a percentage there of ?

Whys the sky blue? There is a long complicated answer (which I will dig up if you want but dont have time right now). But just know that it does.

[39+1]

I think orals suck for sustained gains