Next Proposed Cycle

[MikeAZ]

Been off my last cycle for about 4 weeks now, already getting excited for my next one! So far I have got 30ml of Tren a @100mg/cc and 30ml of test e @300mg/cc. I was thinking of adding 20ml at 300mg/cc of EQ, I was thinking EQ because the Trenn Ace killed my cardio and thought EQ would be a good addition due to its vascular properties. What do you think?

Still got lots of time since im only 4 weeks off of last cycle, plus I still need to get PCT.

[Big]

Been off my last cycle for about 4 weeks now, already getting excited for my next one! So far I have got 30ml of Tren a @100mg/cc and 30ml of test e @300mg/cc. I was thinking of adding 20ml at 300mg/cc of EQ, I was thinking EQ because the Trenn Ace killed my cardio and thought EQ would be a good addition due to its vascular properties. What do you think?

Still got lots of time since im only 4 weeks off of last cycle, plus I still need to get PCT.

You've been off your last cycle for 4 weeks and still need to get pct?
Explain please.

[200byjune]

i think he means for next cycle i questiond it at first but re read it and then i thought it out but who knows peoples dealers out there will ly ly ly ly till they get there money

[Big]

i think he means for next cycle

I got ya, I bet that's it. Had me wondering for a moment there

[MikeAZ]

No PCT for next cycle. Want to make sure that I have everything before I start. What do you think about throwing the EQ in there? Was kinda thinking that 3 compounds would be a little much, but I want something that will help out with my cardio while on tren

[mkrulic]

leave the eq out. your cardio will be just fine if you do it on a regular basis. I'd run this for 6 weeks.

[NATE0406]

leave the eq out. your cardio will be just fine if you do it on a regular basis. I'd run this for 6 weeks.

this cycle needs to ran longer than 6 weeks.. i would run your test 12 and your tren 8. and i dont really see the problem with the eq. jmo

[mkrulic]

I run cycles just like this for 6 weeks. imo, this is a better way to run cycles. the problem w/ the eq is zero benifit. why introduce more compounds w/o reward.

[Big]

Test e for 6 weeks? I could see short cycles with short esters, like prop, but with e I wouldn't.

[mkrulic]

Test e for 6 weeks? I could see short cycles with short esters, like prop, but with e I wouldn't.

no, a mix of long esters and short esters are great for short runs. including test p would be a nice addition, test pp would be better, but you have to leave the test e in. test d would be better. the longer ester will hang in while all your short esters are leaving. you dont want everything leaving at once.

[Big]

Interesting, I may give that a try.

[Amorphic]

no, a mix of long esters and short esters are great for short runs. including test p would be a nice addition, test pp would be better, but you have to leave the test e in. test d would be better. the longer ester will hang in while all your short esters are leaving. you dont want everything leaving at once.

why wouldnt you want it to leave all at once? to me that seems ideal.

if you have long chain esters staying in your body suppressing your endogenous production, why wouldnt you want to have a short acting ester clear out all at once so you can immediately get on pct to kickstart the recovery process?

[lex57]

why wouldnt you want it to leave all at once? to me that seems ideal.

if you have long chain esters staying in your body suppressing your endogenous production, why wouldnt you want to have a short acting ester clear out all at once so you can immediately get on pct to kickstart the recovery process?

i have heard that it really is better in some sense to be weened off of steroids then just ending at once. however i dont practice it. but there is some relative science behind it.

[Big]

I've never tried that, but I do know some old-school bro's who advocate it.

[mkrulic]

why wouldnt you want it to leave all at once? to me that seems ideal.

if you have long chain esters staying in your body suppressing your endogenous production, why wouldnt you want to have a short acting ester clear out all at once so you can immediately get on pct to kickstart the recovery process?

the crash. having everything leave at once leaves me w/ one big crash. having the test hang in while everything else leaves is much easier on me.

[mkrulic]

i have heard that it really is better in some sense to be weened off of steroids then just ending at once. however i dont practice it. but there is some relative science behind it.

I havnt tried this. the esters kinda do it for me. I do it thru choosing the esters I've mentioned earlier instead of tapering off.
try this for one run and you'll never go back

[MikeAZ]

Why would EQ have no benifit? I was trying to choose between adding deca or EQ, I went with EQ because I wanted an AS that was not so potent since I already have two very strong compounds.

Last cycle I ran tren a for 12wks and test e for 15wks, I feel pretty good and I have been off for about 4 weeks now. That duration seemed to work pretty good.

[Amorphic]

the crash. having everything leave at once leaves me w/ one big crash. having the test hang in while everything else leaves is much easier on me.

so what about starting hcg at 500IUs a day a week before pct?

wouldnt that make the transition a lot easier?

[mkrulic]

so what about starting hcg at 500IUs a day a week before pct?

wouldnt that make the transition a lot easier?

Im going to look into this my next run. good lookin out

[mkrulic]

Why would EQ have no benifit? I was trying to choose between adding deca or EQ, I went with EQ because I wanted an AS that was not so potent since I already have two very strong compounds.

Last cycle I ran tren a for 12wks and test e for 15wks, I feel pretty good and I have been off for about 4 weeks now. That duration seemed to work pretty good.

I get nothing from eq. people who claim to get something from eq say they either get vascular or an increase in appethte. I achive vascularity and defintion from training and diet. I need no help when it comes to appetite.

How long do you plan to be off before starting this run. I like to stay off as long as I was on. I keep more gains being off for 6 weeks then I would at 15.

[Elexecution]

id go with the deca instead of eq.. and keep letro and/or bromo on hand

[MikeAZ]

I get nothing from eq. people who claim to get something from eq say they either get vascular or an increase in appethte. I achive vascularity and defintion from training and diet. I need no help when it comes to appetite.

How long do you plan to be off before starting this run. I like to stay off as long as I was on. I keep more gains being off for 6 weeks then I would at 15.

I was planning on staying off for 15 weeks until I start my next cycle. What type of gains are you talking about? I noticed that I had my most weight gains at the begining of my cycle, but oddly my strenght gains were more towards the end of my cycle. I feel that I would miss out on some of those gains if I did a six week cycle.

On your six week cycles are you on for six and then off for six? Not saying that your method does not work, I am actually kinda interested in it. Have a point that it is not as hard on your body. Something I am going to research!

[mkrulic]

I was planning on staying off for 15 weeks until I start my next cycle. What type of gains are you talking about? I noticed that I had my most weight gains at the begining of my cycle, but oddly my strenght gains were more towards the end of my cycle. I feel that I would miss out on some of those gains if I did a six week cycle.

On your six week cycles are you on for six and then off for six? Not saying that your method does not work, I am actually kinda interested in it. Have a point that it is not as hard on your body. Something I am going to research!

my gains are lean bw (15lbs) and strength. I think I went up around 50 - 70lbs on squat.
I stay off for 6 weeks. I find that I come back w/ more of what I gained if I stay off for 6 weeks then 10. at 10 weeks off I lost all strength gains. I really like the short runs. I put this out there because most people on this board will do really long cycles, imo, and I want to put it out there that from personal experience I get a lot out of short runs.

[MikeAZ]

my gains are lean bw (15lbs) and strength. I think I went up around 50 - 70lbs on squat.
I stay off for 6 weeks. I find that I come back w/ more of what I gained if I stay off for 6 weeks then 10. at 10 weeks off I lost all strength gains. I really like the short runs. I put this out there because most people on this board will do really long cycles, imo, and I want to put it out there that from personal experience I get a lot out of short runs.

What made you first decide to do a short run cycle. To be honest I have never heard of this before, besides with dbol of course. Thanks for the imput!

[mkrulic]

What made you first decide to do a short run cycle. To be honest I have never heard of this before, besides with dbol of course. Thanks for the imput!

I noticed that my gains were getting plateud around week 6 and when doing long runs I was coming back w/o my gains. my gains hung in for around 6 weeks. I just figured why not cut the cycle to where you're getting the most out. and it doesnt hurt that I come back w/ almost all my gains.
good luck