I F**king Hate Winny

[Taurus]

On my last prop cycle, i had planned to use winny for the last 4 weeks. I used it for 4 DAYS and started noticing hair shedding and stopped it immediately. It has been 4 months and my hair is still shedding like crazy. I am now beginning to see thinning at the front and receeding also.

I have taken prop, tbol, var, dbol, tren in previous cycles and i did not shed a single hair. 4 days of winny has caused so much.

i have been on nizoral and finasteride since and it hasnt made any difference. i am 30 yrs old and thought i had escaped the balding gene, but i guess i spoke too soon. i guess the shedding that winyy caused because of 4 days use would otherwise have taken several yrs... i honestly cannot believe that 4 days of winny can do so much.

has anyone ever had such shedding wayyyy after they stopped use of an AS? i thought winny leaves the system fairly quickly? why am i stilll shedding?

[shifty_git]

ever considered your an old baldy? lol

serious though, the hair folicals are great at storing chemicals and passing them into your hair.. (ie why hair drugs tests are so good)

could try shaving ya head, treating the scalp and starting again. ive done that before and seemed to work.

[ZaneFan]

If you plan on juicing for more years, might as well shave it off. This is one of the few times in history being bald is OK.

[meathead320]

If you plan on juicing for more years, might as well shave it off. This is one of the few times in history being bald is OK.

Agreed.

And dude, Winny is a DHT based steroid.

You got to understand that DHT is the #1 culprit in MPB, if you got the gene for it.

Think of it like this anyhow, your hair, makes your head look bigger, and your pysique smaller.

Bald has worked for a lot of guys, so you can deal with it.

I know bald guys that get plenty of *****, every time they go out.

Bald seems to attract women that are into masculine men, and those same women tend to like it rough. At least what I have found.

Don't hate your head, get that hair out of the way and enjoy the dome!

[steropower]

I don't think 4 days on Winny can change your life forever.Must be something else IMO although human body mechanisms are very complicated and maybe it's true!

Good luck!

[shifty_git]

If you plan on juicing for more years, might as well shave it off. This is one of the few times in history being bald is OK.

In history the side with the shorter hair always wins...

US cavalry Vs Indian nation - Short back and sides Vs Long hair

The Cavaliers Vs Roundheads.

Vietnam - crew-cuts both sides, no score draw.

Shaved hair is good!

[JSola]

I did a cycle with winny, I'm 23 and I had thinning and small patches of hair coming out. I got off it and I'm back to a full, thick head of hair. I hope you recover, best of luck.

[BuffBuffalo]

Bald seems to attract women that are into masculine men, and those same women tend to like it rough. At least what I have found.

ROFL, that's classic!

[Taurus]

i appreciate the responses. but some of u are missing the point.

1) i have used other dht based roids also... i.e prop, dbol, var, tren... which are known for hairloss... so why only 4 days of winny.

2) can 4 days of winny cause so much commotion.. for so long!

3) similar stories...or am i the first to be on for such a short period and experience such side effects on hairline?

[J*U*icEd]

i appreciate the responses. but some of u are missing the point.

1) i have used other dht based roids also... i.e prop, dbol, var, tren... which are known for hairloss... so why only 4 days of winny.

2) can 4 days of winny cause so much commotion.. for so long!

3) similar stories...or am i the first to be on for such a short period and experience such side effects on hairline?

well others were trying to tell you that it isn't the compound and your going to go bald anyway... i know it's not what you wana hear, but fvck man it's life...

[football2007]

i appreciate the responses. but some of u are missing the point.

1) i have used other dht based roids also... i.e prop, dbol, var, tren... which are known for hairloss... so why only 4 days of winny.

2) can 4 days of winny cause so much commotion.. for so long!

3) similar stories...or am i the first to be on for such a short period and experience such side effects on hairline?

prop, dbol and tren are not DHT based.

Im very prone to MPB and I'm about to start masteron. I'm also obsessed with my hair. This is just me being retarded and I'll prolly hate myself later for it. I've just never been really lean and figured I'd take a shot at it.

If I were you, I would just stay away from DHTs. Topicals/Duta/Finasteride don't work particularly well on the hairline, if at all, anyway.

I lost minimal hair on my last prop/npp cycle....but then PCT started up and it was flying out.

I had also dropped dutasteride for the last 8 weeks or so of my cycle..still not much shedding. Doses were 525/525 as well.

Hairloss is caused from many different things, but taking a DHT derivitive is asking for it....I know I'll lose hair on masteron, but I'll accept it (or try to lol)

hormone fluctuations can be a big culprit as well, which is why I lost hair in PCT....

[shifty_git]

I lost minimal hair on my last prop/npp cycle....but then PCT started up and it was flying out.

you and me both bud!

[exodito]

I did notice that a lot of "big guys" shave their heads. I do it also but just in the summer.

[legobricks]

prop, dbol and tren are not DHT based.

Im very prone to MPB and I'm about to start masteron. I'm also obsessed with my hair. This is just me being retarded and I'll prolly hate myself later for it. I've just never been really lean and figured I'd take a shot at it.

If I were you, I would just stay away from DHTs. Topicals/Duta/Finasteride don't work particularly well on the hairline, if at all, anyway.

I lost minimal hair on my last prop/npp cycle....but then PCT started up and it was flying out.

I had also dropped dutasteride for the last 8 weeks or so of my cycle..still not much shedding. Doses were 525/525 as well.

Hairloss is caused from many different things, but taking a DHT derivitive is asking for it....I know I'll lose hair on masteron, but I'll accept it (or try to lol)

hormone fluctuations can be a big culprit as well, which is why I lost hair in PCT....

Dbol and test prop can be converted into DHT resulting in hair loss.

[jaysunderstudy]

Yeah I mean the Romans invented the crew cut, so the enemy could come up behind them grab their hair and slit their throats, and everything worked well for the Romans for a long time any way. But that does suck, that would be my fear of running that simply because I told I had a receding hair line last time I got my hair cut. But you could always try Bosley or Hair Club for Men tho.

[Pooks]

I'm not 100%.. but the shedding is probably because of the PROP.


Hair works like 2-3 months behind.. so things that happened 2 months ago will affect your hair now..

so if you've been takin from from around 6-8 weeks now..
that initial hormone inbalance shock.. (elevated DHT, etc) is probably making your hair fall out now...

but on the flip side..
it does seem like everyone is always complaining about crazy hair shedding on winny, so maybe it is the winny.

[Ashop]

On my last prop cycle, i had planned to use winny for the last 4 weeks. I used it for 4 DAYS and started noticing hair shedding and stopped it immediately. It has been 4 months and my hair is still shedding like crazy. I am now beginning to see thinning at the front and receeding also.

I have taken prop, tbol, var, dbol, tren in previous cycles and i did not shed a single hair. 4 days of winny has caused so much.

i have been on nizoral and finasteride since and it hasnt made any difference. i am 30 yrs old and thought i had escaped the balding gene, but i guess i spoke too soon. i guess the shedding that winyy caused because of 4 days use would otherwise have taken several yrs... i honestly cannot believe that 4 days of winny can do so much.

has anyone ever had such shedding wayyyy after they stopped use of an AS? i thought winny leaves the system fairly quickly? why am i stilll shedding?

NEVER had this issue,,,especially with only 4 days of WINSTROL

[Pooks]

Finasteride will also cause shedding 2-3 months after start of usage...

so u've got the initial shedding because of the cycle..
and now shedding because u started finasteride..

but thats ok..
stay on finasteride, it will stop shedding.

[football2007]

Dbol and test prop can be converted into DHT resulting in hair loss.

well yeah. They convert via 5AR but they aren't derived from dht. Both test based...

Most convert in some way or the other.

I was saying that you could take a DHT blocker for test/dbol/tren and still be alright. Not real sure about Tren. You could lose hair off of tren just from it being so androgenic. Test can be ran pretty safely with duta tho...

I was just gettin at DHT based...nothin really you can do except for topicals.

[IntenseAthlete]

On my last prop cycle, i had planned to use winny for the last 4 weeks. I used it for 4 DAYS and started noticing hair shedding and stopped it immediately. It has been 4 months and my hair is still shedding like crazy. I am now beginning to see thinning at the front and receeding also.

I have taken prop, tbol, var, dbol, tren in previous cycles and i did not shed a single hair. 4 days of winny has caused so much.

i have been on nizoral and finasteride since and it hasnt made any difference. i am 30 yrs old and thought i had escaped the balding gene, but i guess i spoke too soon. i guess the shedding that winyy caused because of 4 days use would otherwise have taken several yrs... i honestly cannot believe that 4 days of winny can do so much.

has anyone ever had such shedding wayyyy after they stopped use of an AS? i thought winny leaves the system fairly quickly? why am i stilll shedding?

rogaine will help keep your hair but you must keep using it.been there done it gave up shaved it off.

[legobricks]

well yeah. They convert via 5AR but they aren't derived from dht. Both test based...

Most convert in some way or the other.

I was saying that you could take a DHT blocker for test/dbol/tren and still be alright. Not real sure about Tren. You could lose hair off of tren just from it being so androgenic. Test can be ran pretty safely with duta tho...

I was just gettin at DHT based...nothin really you can do except for topicals.

Not sure about tren but I know that Deca being 19-nor derived does not convert into DHT but can convert/elevate DHN levels which are not as potent at DHT but still can result in hairloss. Id imagine tren may be on a whole new ball field.

[legobricks]

rogaine will help keep your hair but you must keep using it.been there done it gave up shaved it off.

Ok, so look for a bald big guy when i go back home to visit?

[knownutz]

I hate winny for other reasons. Never noticed the hair loss but then I am a fleshy headed mutant

[IntenseAthlete]

Ok, so look for a bald big guy when i go back home to visit?

medium bald guy, athlete not bb.

[ZaneFan]

Bald seems to attract women that are into masculine men, and those same women tend to like it rough. At least what I have found.

Interesting point. You might be on to something. Hey, whatever it takes.

[legobricks]

medium bald guy, athlete not bb.

I thought you were a "cerious" bodybuilder, was I off!

[IntenseAthlete]

I thought you were a "cerious" bodybuilder, was I off!

hey,hey, Im a cerious lifter!but try to stay smaller on purpose to keep power to weight ratios in check.I can still push some weight for a little guy 5'9" 185lbs.....come to my dungeon and hit the weights with me, wow that sounds like DSM!

[Taurus]

I'm not 100%.. but the shedding is probably because of the PROP.


Hair works like 2-3 months behind.. so things that happened 2 months ago will affect your hair now..

so if you've been takin from from around 6-8 weeks now..
that initial hormone inbalance shock.. (elevated DHT, etc) is probably making your hair fall out now...

but on the flip side..
it does seem like everyone is always complaining about crazy hair shedding on winny, so maybe it is the winny.

it cant be prop. ive taken prop twice before with no shedding. i started shedding two days after using winny. so i stopped it straight away.

i thought tren was "hairloss in a bottle", but not a single hair shed whilst on tren...

im jus sharing my experience with people. i was kinda scared of winny from the get-go, but i thought as soon as i notice any shedding i will stop, thinkin i could leave with minimal damage. little did i know that 4 days use would result in 4 months of constant shedding...

i just wanted to warn people who were concerned adnd give my experience.

[football2007]

Not sure about tren but I know that Deca being 19-nor derived does not convert into DHT but can convert/elevate DHN levels which are not as potent at DHT but still can result in hairloss. Id imagine tren may be on a whole new ball field.

DHT is the primary pathway...deca is relatively safe...DHN's effect on hair follicles is minimal...

[CUTLIFTER]

well yeah. They convert via 5AR but they aren't derived from dht. Both test based...

Most convert in some way or the other.

I was saying that you could take a DHT blocker for test/dbol/tren and still be alright. Not real sure about Tren. You could lose hair off of tren just from it being so androgenic. Test can be ran pretty safely with duta tho...

I was just gettin at DHT based...nothin really you can do except for topicals.

You seem to know alot about this subject. Would you mind advicing me on some steroids that would be the least hard on the hair line.
I dont want to use deca, because I use propecia.
I have various avalible, but was thinking of a Test Enanthate with primabolan and maybe Tren. But am worried about the hair thing with the tren?
I have done 4 cycles and have slight receding hairline, but not sure if that is just genetic anyway.
I would love to just shave it and not worry about it, but I look odd with no hair!

[Z-Ro]

On my last prop cycle, i had planned to use winny for the last 4 weeks. I used it for 4 DAYS and started noticing hair shedding and stopped it immediately. It has been 4 months and my hair is still shedding like crazy. I am now beginning to see thinning at the front and receeding also.

I have taken prop, tbol, var, dbol, tren in previous cycles and i did not shed a single hair. 4 days of winny has caused so much.

i have been on nizoral and finasteride since and it hasnt made any difference. i am 30 yrs old and thought i had escaped the balding gene, but i guess i spoke too soon. i guess the shedding that winyy caused because of 4 days use would otherwise have taken several yrs... i honestly cannot believe that 4 days of winny can do so much.

has anyone ever had such shedding wayyyy after they stopped use of an AS? i thought winny leaves the system fairly quickly? why am i stilll shedding?

When did you start using Finasteride?

You know that when you use things such as Finasteride or Rogaine there is an intial shedding phase where many users freak out because they believe they are losing hair.

I remember your posts...I doubt that Winny is still causing your hair loss four months later. Winny may have trigger your hair loss but I would definately attribute your hair loss too:

1) Finasteride Shedding
2) Fluctuating Hormones

and obviously Winny triggered your MPB for w/e reason. Be lucky you used everything else, Test alone trigger my MPB.

My suggestion if you want to keep your hair is to stay on Finasteride or even go to the Dr. and get a script. Use Rogaine and Nizoral, basically pamper your hair.

Some people want their hair and others do not...I like my hair.

It sucks because I will never be able to use Tren, Mast, Winny unless I shave my hair.

[Taurus]

When did you start using Finasteride?

You know that when you use things such as Finasteride or Rogaine there is an intial shedding phase where many users freak out because they believe they are losing hair.

I remember your posts...I doubt that Winny is still causing your hair loss four months later. Winny may have trigger your hair loss but I would definately attribute your hair loss too:

1) Finasteride Shedding
2) Fluctuating Hormones

and obviously Winny triggered your MPB for w/e reason. Be lucky you used everything else, Test alone trigger my MPB.

My suggestion if you want to keep your hair is to stay on Finasteride or even go to the Dr. and get a script. Use Rogaine and Nizoral, basically pamper your hair.

Some people want their hair and others do not...I like my hair.

It sucks because I will never be able to use Tren, Mast, Winny unless I shave my hair.

thank you for the post bro, i appreciate it.

people may be thinking that im complaing and stuff, but like z-ro said, some people like keeping their hair, and i tried to be as cautious as i possibly could by reading up on this site.

it just baffles me that 4 days winny could do this. i come on here to vent, to share my experience, and so that others can see what happened to me and know for themselves.

i know for a fact that if i was concerned about my hair, and i had read this happening to someone else, i never would have used winny.

as for the fina, after 10 weeks of use my hair stopped shedding, so i stopped using it like an idiot... but 3 days later it started again. i been on the fina for 3 weeks again now, and still constant shedding. i shed around 30-40 strands a day. when i come out the shower and dry my hair, i see hairs falling out and hairs on the towel. every morning i see 5-6 strands on my pillow. if i run my hands thru my hair, i am guaranteed at least 2 hairs in my hand. pretty depressing... and remember... only 4DAYS OF WINNY!!!

[Teflon Don]

Taurus I hear you on this one. I used winny for 2 weeks and started getting alopecia. I had a small chunk missing out the back of my head and some patches on my my face......started using an eyeliner to colour it in lol. Took about 6 months to grow back. I threw propecia into the mix although I suspect hair woulda grown back on its own anyway..

[Z-Ro]

thank you for the post bro, i appreciate it.

people may be thinking that im complaing and stuff, but like z-ro said, some people like keeping their hair, and i tried to be as cautious as i possibly could by reading up on this site.

it just baffles me that 4 days winny could do this. i come on here to vent, to share my experience, and so that others can see what happened to me and know for themselves.

i know for a fact that if i was concerned about my hair, and i had read this happening to someone else, i never would have used winny.

as for the fina, after 10 weeks of use my hair stopped shedding, so i stopped using it like an idiot... but 3 days later it started again. i been on the fina for 3 weeks again now, and still constant shedding. i shed around 30-40 strands a day. when i come out the shower and dry my hair, i see hairs falling out and hairs on the towel. every morning i see 5-6 strands on my pillow. if i run my hands thru my hair, i am guaranteed at least 2 hairs in my hand. pretty depressing... and remember... only 4DAYS OF WINNY!!!

I never saw you respond to this but Winny is a potent DHT. The majority of people I know who have MPB lose it on Winny or Masteron.

Tren--some shedding but not to the extent that Winny or Masteron supposedly brings...

Again, one day when I am not afraid I will actually use it myself and report back to you. This is just what I know after reading about this matter for over two years now. Others like Seattle can chime in, I believe Winny scalped his hair as well!