Good idea to quit all stimulants cold turkey?

[dirtball_619]

I havent been able to wake up without a cup of coffee for about 2 years now, and been smoking cigarettes for 3.

Im having gyno removal surgery(FINALLY!!!) within the next month, insurance finally confirmed they would pay for it! so ill have a weeks worth of light duty at work. i Felt this would be the prime time to quite both cigarettes and caffiene because i mainly use them to go from a dead sleep to sweating aerobic work at 3am.

I just wanna drop all stims all together because i find myself popping nitro2go's, 5 hour energy shots, redbulls etc... along with a pack and a half of smokes every day. which cant be healthy and most likely ruining gains.

my questions were, would it be a bad idea to drop those all together in one shot?

Would the use of adderall(amphetamine), caffiene, cigarettes in excess cause permanent damage to my CNS if used only for 2-3 years?

thanks guys!

[Beefkake31]

I don't know about permanent damage, it just matters on the person and the dosages. But I know it does mess with the heart a lot. I took a similar stimulant prescription and I could notice the toll it took on my heart.

[dirtball_619]

haha yeah i realized i needed to put all that stuff down because for the past month or so i cant stand up quickly without almost fainting. i have to take a deep breath and slooowwwly stand up if ive been sitting for more than 10+ minutes. stuff has got to go! all of it! but all at once during the week ill have light duty or one thing at a time?

[Amorphic]

adderall is a terrible drug, i dont have any advice on how to stop using it but you definetly need to find a way

[dirtball_619]

getting rid of that is no problem. The no appetite, sweating/itching all over at night when trying to sleep, twitchy feeling it gives is more than enouph to not take it. ive dropped it all this week and have had no problems.

its the caffiene and nicotein that have me by the nutz!

[Amorphic]

getting rid of that is no problem. The no appetite, sweating/itching all over at night when trying to sleep, twitchy feeling it gives is more than enouph to not take it. ive dropped it all this week and have had no problems.

its the caffiene and nicotein that have me by the nutz!

i had a hard time with nicotine addiction as well, it is a very difficult thing to overcome.

[SMCengineer]

Caffine isn't hard to quit, but the headaches are a bitch to deal with for the first week. You could ween yourself off it with some caffeine pills and just taper it down to help you get used not having it. Just start by taking a full pill in the morning for a few days (equal to a cup of coffee), than cut the pill in half and than a quarter. Eventually, just stop taking them.

[dirtball_619]

good idea blome, id assume the same protocol would work with cigs as well. ill be tapering down up until that week of the surgery. thanks guys

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[SMCengineer]

^^couldn't tell ya how to quit cigs. I've never had to do it.

[Beefkake31]

haha yeah i realized i needed to put all that stuff down because for the past month or so i cant stand up quickly without almost fainting. i have to take a deep breath and slooowwwly stand up if ive been sitting for more than 10+ minutes. stuff has got to go! all of it! but all at once during the week ill have light duty or one thing at a time?

I have the same problem, every time I stand up my heart beats hard and I need to relax myself. That has gone down a lot since I stopped taking stimulants. It was so obvious what it was doing to my heart yet we're so stupid in those ways, we know its bad but yet we keep on taking them. I'm glad you are stopping them and I'm glad I am trying to stop them as well lol. I know there will be some serious consequences later down the road if we don't.

[moregunsthanroses]

I quit cigs pretty easily unless your at a pack or more per day it's not really a physical addiction so to speak. I just smoked cigars for a while inhaling.. If the people you hang around with smoke then that will make things that much harder.

I take dexedrin which is a stimulant I'm also dependant on it too some degree. I Don';t think there would be any CNS damage done and if there was any it would be extremtly minimal.

I would quit the smokes first and hold off on the others.. you would need quite the willpower to do all at once.

[Beefkake31]

I quit cigs pretty easily unless your at a pack or more per day it's not really a physical addiction so to speak. I just smoked cigars for a while inhaling.. If the people you hang around with smoke then that will make things that much harder.

I take dexedrin which is a stimulant I'm also dependant on it too some degree. I Don';t think there would be any CNS damage done and if there was any it would be extremtly minimal.

I would quit the smokes first and hold off on the others.. you would need quite the willpower to do all at once.

I took Dexedrine also, but I'm trying not to take it at all anymore. Some of the side effects are pretty damn scary when you read them, sudden death being one of them. And one major pharmaceutical company stopped selling it and they didn't give a reason, but that would throw warning signs for me.

[dirtball_619]

aderall is 75% dexedrine 25% apmhetamine salts. going through a months prescription in a week and many ruined relationships later was enouph for me to say goodbye! stuff made me a very irritable guy

[wilson9d]

Quiters never win.

[Beefkake31]

aderall is 75% dexedrine 25% apmhetamine salts. going through a months prescription in a week and many ruined relationships later was enouph for me to say goodbye! stuff made me a very irritable guy

Close but its 50% amphetamine and 50% dextroamphetamine. And Dexedrine is dextroamphetamine sulfate which is only 25% of Adderall. Dexedrine is more potent than adderall. Dextroamphetamines are stronger. Dexedrine also does not give you the body effect such as being jittery or heart racing and also does not have as much of a come down type of feeling. So for anyone with ADHD I'd recommend going with Dexedrine and not Adderall. And this is only my opinion and I am not a doctor so obviously ask your doctor first.

EDIT: btw, I don't even know if legal prescription drug talk is allowed. Anyone?

[Kratos]

I've been on stims since 2nd grade, adhd
I don't think I have permanant damage but I'm a lazy mother fvcker, def not hyper anymore.

I quit taking anything after college
I use caffene cause otherwise I wouldn't be able to go to work durring tren cycle, don't need it otherwise.

[Gators]

get on wellbutrin, it helps tremendously w/ quitting cigs (helped me quit dipping), and will also help in other areas, great stuff

[DSM4Life]

I remember reading a study where they show coffee isn't even bad for you as long as you don't over do it. I think 1-2 cups a day is considered "normal."

[Gators]

your avatar is freaking gross

[Schmidty]

I havent been able to wake up without a cup of coffee for about 2 years now, and been smoking cigarettes for 3.

Im having gyno removal surgery(FINALLY!!!) within the next month, insurance finally confirmed they would pay for it! so ill have a weeks worth of light duty at work. i Felt this would be the prime time to quite both cigarettes and caffiene because i mainly use them to go from a dead sleep to sweating aerobic work at 3am.

I just wanna drop all stims all together because i find myself popping nitro2go's, 5 hour energy shots, redbulls etc... along with a pack and a half of smokes every day. which cant be healthy and most likely ruining gains.

my questions were, would it be a bad idea to drop those all together in one shot?

Would the use of adderall(amphetamine), caffiene, cigarettes in excess cause permanent damage to my CNS if used only for 2-3 years?

thanks guys!

I have known of people being HEAVY useres of amphetamines and the only real health problem 1 of them has is a enlarged heart and that they are pretty ate up. Be ready to feel slugish and retarded for a few weeks...

[J-Dogg]

I've also been under the impression that Coffee in moderation is actually GOOD for you.

Coming off a ECA stack for the first week I take Excedrine as it has 65mgs of caf in it and eliminates the head aches.

[DSM4Life]

Is coffee good or bad for your health?


How would you like a drug which could lower your risk of Parkinson's disease, diabetes, as well as colon cancer? A substance which could lift your mood and relieve headaches? A drug that could lower your risk of getting cavities? Coffee appears to be that substance. coffee beans


Studies indicate coffee reduces the risk for diabetes and Parkinson's

Some studies have shown that coffee may reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes. After analyzing data on 120,000 people over an 18-year period (1), researchers at Harvard have concluded that drinking 1 to 3 cups of caffeinated coffee each day can reduce diabetes risk by several percentage points, compared with not drinking coffee at all.

Even more significant, is the fact that in this study, having 6 cups or more per day slashed men's risk by 54% and women's risk by 30% over those who avoided coffee. This study is the latest of hundreds of studies which suggest that coffee may be something of a health food - especially in higher amounts.

Over the past 20 years, over 19,000 studies have been conducted to examine the impact of coffee on one's health. Overall, the results are good news for the 110 million Americans who routinely enjoy this traditional morning ritual.

"By and large, the studies (2) show that coffee is far more beneficial than it is harmful," says Tomas DePaulis, PhD, researcher at Vanderbilt University's Institute for Coffee Studies, which conducts its own research and tracks coffee studies around the globe. For most individuals, studies show that very little bad comes from drinking coffee, but a lot of good.

At least 6 studies (3) indicate that people who drink coffee on a regular basis have up to 80% lower risks of developing Parkinson's disease, with 3 of those studies indicating that the more coffee they drink, the lower the risk. Other studies indicate that, compared to not drinking coffee, drinking at least 2 cups per day can lead to a 25% lower risk of colon cancer, an 80% drop in the risk of liver cirrhosis, and nearly 50% the risk of gallstones.

coffee beans roasted
Is it the caffeine that is responsible for those benefits? Is it the antioxidants in coffee beans, some of which become especially potent during the roasting process?



Studies indicate that it might be both those factors.

"The evidence is very strong that regular coffee consumption reduces the risk for Parkinson's disease and that in the case of Parkinson's disease, the benefits are directly related to caffeine," according to Dr. DePaulis (2).

Researchers believe that some of coffee's reported beneficial effects are a direct result of its higher caffeine content: An 8-ounce cup of coffee contains about 85 mg of caffeine - about 3 times more than the same serving of tea or soda.

In another study (4), researchers looked at the coffee consumption and caffeine intake in 8,000 Japanese-American men. During the course of the study which lasted nearly 30 years, about 100 men developed Parkinson's disease. The risk of developing Parkinson's decreased gradually as the daily consumption of coffee rose from 4 ounces to more than 24 ounces per day.

In addition, the researchers found the same decrease in risk regardless of the source of caffeine. The men whose intake was less than 2.8 milligrams of caffeine per day were nearly 3 times more likely to develop Parkinson's than those whose caffeine intake was more than 107 milligrams from non-coffee sources.


Coffee and reduced diabetes risks

But other benefits can be derived from coffee which have nothing to do with caffeine. Coffee is loaded with antioxidants, including a group of compounds called "quinines" which when administered to rats in a laboratory, increases their insulin sensitivity. The increased sensitivity improves the body's response to insulin.

Researchers don't know exactly why coffee is beneficial for diabetes. Coffee also contains large quantities of the antioxidants tocopherols and chlorogenic acid, as well as minerals such as magnesium. All of those components have been shown to improve insulin sensitivity and glucose metabolism.

This may explain why in the Harvard study (1), those drinking decaffeinated coffee also showed a reduced diabetes risk, although the reduction in risk was 50% that of those drinking caffeinated coffee.
Coffee and cavities

Some researchers believe another compound called "trigonelline" - which gives coffee its bitter taste and its aroma - may be responsible for giving coffee both anti-adhesive and antibacterial properties which help prevent dental cavities from forming.


Coffee consumption and moderation

On the other hand, it is clear that coffee is not for everyone. In excessive amounts - meaning more than whatever an individual's body can tolerate - coffee can cause nervousness, jitters, and rapid heartbeat.

Although studies investigating any relationship between higher cholesterol levels and coffee have yielded conflicting results, it is believed that in some people, drinking excessive amounts of coffee might cause elevated cholesterol levels (5).

However, coffee drinkers who consume filtered coffee should not worry themselves with respect to cholesterol levels, because research indicates that it is the coffee oils which are mainly responsible for the rise in cholesterol in people who drink nonfiltered or boiled coffee.

Most recent large studies show no significant adverse affects on most healthy people, although pregnant women, heart patients, and those at risk for osteoporosis may still be advised to limit or avoid coffee.

ref http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxifi...iet/coffee.htm

[lpicken]

This is an interesting thread. Adderall sure makes it easy to get alot of stuff done, but at what cost? I am somewhat of a buzz junky myself, and need to kick it cold turkey and just be done with everything.

[Gators]

i walked away from ******** **** about 21 years ago, and i have to say tobacco has been harder to whip than that