questions on my next cycle

[lovetobebig1984]

hey guys thanks for the gyno help its going away!!!! so its time to plan for my new cycle im going to run test e 250mg, bold or eq 200mg, and some d bol. im 5'11'' i weight around 165 with 5-7% body fat im really cut but just small....i ran a cycle of sust and decca but only put on 20 pounds (so i used to weight 145 now im 165) i want mass and strenth dont care about being cut anymore but i think even doing this seeing as how im ripped already i will probably stay pretty cut.....but you are the pros and thats why i ask you...so what should i do i have the test e, eq, and dbols right now just want to know what ammount to do and if i should add something else or take one away any help would be great thanks guys. (also i plan on using the diet for mass in the forume)

[smokethedays]

u did a cycle when u were 145 lbs?!!!!!
wow man, wt r u doing with urself, u should be able to accomplish alot with only food and weights.

[Schmidty]

Im going to assume ur already set on another cycle and ur going do do another anyway, no matter how much we say u could have gotten the size u are now and bigger w/a bettter diet. With that in mind... 200mg per week of eq wont do shit. How many weeks do u plan on running this cycle???

[lovetobebig1984]

well see my brother is mr mass well was and he trained me for 2 years and said i was the only person he ever met that just couldnt keep weight on no matter how i diet or what i do for shakes and stuff from gnc i just cant get bigger i have been trying for 4 years now since i was 19 and when i tured 23 i figured fu#k it ill try juice....and it worked to put on 20 pounds but i just want to be around 190 to 200 so what should i do to get there? i was goind to run 400mg a week of eq and 500mg a week of test e with 40mg of the dbol and run the shots for 12 weeks and the d bol for 4 weeks

[lovetobebig1984]

ohh and smoke i tried all the stuff you said and just couldnt get bigger so ya i then tured to a cycle....but tryed hard and trained for 2 years before i even thought of it i would gain 10 pounds and then loose 5 then gain 6 then loose 8 ya know it just woulnd't stay on i dont know why

[inky-e]

You put on 20lbs on cycle,how much of that did you keep after pct?

[lovetobebig1984]

15 pounds

[legobricks]

You cant gain mass no matter what? What is your current diet? Also, i know it sucks to hear but you need to keep on eating big, not just stop after cycle or stop because you dont think its working. I guess my question to you is what is your diet look like now and what is it going to look like on cycle, then what will it look like after cycle.

[lovetobebig1984]

im using them mass diet in the forume and have been using that same diet for 2 years just change a few things here and there

[lovetobebig1984]

also lego i just posted some pics of my new gear i got can you tell me if i sould use it or not just wondering if its real or not cause i seen a post on here saying my sorce sold fakes but i have never had a problem but ya know when you hear something like that it makes you worry....

[inky-e]

alright I read you're 23,you've already cycled and made gains,I say go for it,just have a proper pct ready and go kick asss!

[lovetobebig1984]

thanks inky what do you sugest for good mass gains? and what should i do now with what i have .... the test e, eq, and d bol

[legobricks]

I do like the mass diet in the diet forum BUT it is just not enough for me. I also have a high metabolism and if i ate like that diet suggested i would actually start to lose weight as its just not enough for me. If I were you I would keep the protein where its at, UP your daily carbohydrate intake and maybe add a bit more fat to get some extra cals in there. This is the part where you cant care about being super ripped but just trying to add mass. Yes youll gain some fat BUT you will be gaining muscle as well. It takes a while to gain and if you dont see gains in your current diet then its time to take it to the next level. Right now you are burning MORE then you are taking in so therefore you are not growing. If you are eating MORE then you are burning then you will grow.

[lovetobebig1984]

like how much and when???

[lovetobebig1984]

I do like the mass diet in the diet forum BUT it is just not enough for me. I also have a high metabolism and if i ate like that diet suggested i would actually start to lose weight as its just not enough for me. If I were you I would keep the protein where its at, UP your daily carbohydrate intake and maybe add a bit more fat to get some extra cals in there. This is the part where you cant care about being super ripped but just trying to add mass. Yes youll gain some fat BUT you will be gaining muscle as well. It takes a while to gain and if you dont see gains in your current diet then its time to take it to the next level. Right now you are burning MORE then you are taking in so therefore you are not growing. If you are eating MORE then you are burning then you will grow.

ok sounds good lego i will do that....and as for what im about to start for a cycle what do you think i should do???

[inky-e]

thanks inky what do you sugest for good mass gains? and what should i do now with what i have .... the test e, eq, and d bol

I can't really just tell you how to cycle your gear,but if you post your proposed cycle for critique I'm sure you'll get input.

[legobricks]

Well if you are dead set on the cycle first start to increase your daily diet so you get used to eating that big (shouldnt take that long) You will then start to grow and if you really are set on starting the cycle i would drop the EQ, up the test to 500mg per week at 12 weeks and dbol 30mg per day for the first 4 weeks.

What were the doses of your first cycle?

[lovetobebig1984]

why is everyone saying to fu#k the eq??? i heard it was good for mass when stacked with the test e. well for my first cycle i did as follows
weeks 1-12 sust 250mg at 500mg a week
weeks 1-12 decca durabolin 200mg at 400mg a week
weeks 1-4 anadrol 50mg at 100mg ed

[lovetobebig1984]

it kinda sucks cause i just got 30 vials of the eq haha

[inky-e]

Well if you are dead set on the cycle first start to increase your daily diet so you get used to eating that big (shouldnt take that long) You will then start to grow and if you really are set on starting the cycle i would drop the EQ, up the test to 500mg per week at 12 weeks and dbol 30mg per day for the first 4 weeks.

What were the doses of your first cycle?

Thats on the money.Should have gotten deca instead of eq,imo.

[inky-e]

why is everyone saying to fu#k the eq??? i heard it was good for mass when stacked with the test e. well for my first cycle i did as follows
weeks 1-12 sust 250mg at 500mg a week
weeks 1-12 decca durabolin 200mg at 400mg a week
weeks 1-4 anadrol 50mg at 100mg ed

Thats a nice cycle right there,but you run test 2 weeks longer than deca,and d-bol 1st 4 weeks.actually i'd run 750 sust and 400 - 500 deca...etc

[lovetobebig1984]

ya but i heard eq was better so i got that guss i was told wrong... so what is eq for???

[Phate]

ya but i heard eq was better so i got that guss i was told wrong... so what is eq for???

here ya go

Click Drug Name to View Profile: Equipoise

[inky-e]

Way to go Phate!

[lovetobebig1984]

so i guess eq is good for a mass cycle seeing as how it will make me eat better and get solid gains and the test e will just blow me up along with the d bols thanks phate

[lovetobebig1984]

''The tendency to develop a noticeable amount of water retention with this drug would therefore be slightly higher than that with Deca-DurabolinO (with an estimated 20°/a conversion), but much less than what would be expected with a stronger agent such as Testosterone.''
this is what my sorce has posted about eq so this is not a true statment???

[lovetobebig1984]

heres the whole post...

Boldenone Undeclylenate : 2ml/200mg
Manufacturer: QPharma
Effective dosage:
Men 400-600 mg/week.
Women 50-150 mg/week.


Side Effects:
Equipoise is not liver toxic, it will rarely retent water, cause acne problems, or increase blood pressure. Aromatization is low (about half less than testosterone), DHT conversion is low, and it will moderatly decrease HTPA function.

Additional comments:
Active Life: 14-16 days
Drug Class: Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (for injection).


Equipoise info:
Equipoise is the popularly referenced brand name for the veterinary injectable steroid boldenone undecylenate. Specifically it is a derivative of testosterone, which exhibits strong anabolic and moderately androgenic properties. The undecylenate ester greatly extends the activity of the drug (the undecylenate ester is only one carbon atom longer than decanoate), so that clinically injections would need to be repeated every three or four weeks. In veterinary medicine Equipoise is most commonly used on horses, exhibiting a pronounced effect on lean bodyweight, appetite and general disposition of the animal. This compound is also said to shows a marked ability for increasing red blood cell production, although there should be no confusion that this is an effect characteristic of newly all anabolic/androgenic steroids. The favorable properties of this drug are greatly appreciated by athletes, Equipoise being a very popular injectable in recent years. It is considered by many to be a stronger, slightly more androgenic Deca-Durabolin.

The side effects associated with Equipoise are generally mild. The structure of boldenone does allow it to convert into estrogen, but it does not have an extremely high affinity to do so. To try and quantify this we can look toward aromatization studies, which suggest that its rate of estrogen conversion should be roughly half that of testosterone’s. The tendency to develop a noticeable amount of water retention with this drug would therefore be slightly higher than that with Deca-DurabolinO (with an estimated 20°/a conversion), but much less than what would be expected with a stronger agent such as Testosterone. While one does still have a chance of encountering an estrogen related side effect as such when using this substance, it is not a common problem when taken at a moderate dosage level. Gynecomastia might theoretically become a concern, but is usually only heaved of with very sensitive individuals or (again) those venturing high in dosage. Should estrogenic effects become troublesome, the addition of Nolvadex should of course make the cycle more tolerable. An anti-aromatase such as Arimidex would be a stronger option, however probably not indicated with a mild drug as such.

Equipoise can also produce distinct androgenic side effects. Incidences of oily skin, acne, increased aggression and hair loss are likewise all possible with this compound, although will typically be related to the use of higher doses. Women in fact find this drug quite comfortable, virilization symptoms usually unseen when taken at low doses. Boldenone does reduce to a more potent androgen (dihydroboldenone) via the 5alpha reductase enzyme (which produces DHT from testosterone), however its affinity for this interaction in the human body is low to nonexistent". We therefore cannot consider the reductase inhibitor Proscar to be of much use with Equipoise, as it would be blocking what is at best an insignificant path of metabolism for the steroid. And although this drug is relatively mild, it may still have a depressive effect on endogenous testosterone levels. A combination of HCG and Clomid/Nolvadex may likewise be needed at the conclusion of each cycle to avoid a "crash", particularly when running long in duration.

Although it stays active for a much longer time, Equipoise is injected at least once per week by athletes. It is most commonly used at a dosage of 400-600mg per week for men, 50-150 mg per week for women. Should a 50mg version be the only product available, the injection volume can become quite uncomfortable. The dosage schedule can be further divided, perhaps injections given every other day to reduce discomfort. One should also take caution to rotate injection sites regularly, so as to avoid irritation or infection. Should too large an oil volume be injected into one site, an abscess may form that requires surgical draining. To avoid such a problem, athletes will usually limit each injection to 3ml and reuse each site no more than once per week, preferably every other week. With Equipoise this may require using not only the gluteus, but also the outer thighs for an injection site. Of course all problems associated with 25mg and 50mg dosed products are eliminated with the newer 100 mg and 200mg/ml versions of this steroid, which clearly give the user much more dosage freedom and injection comfort.

Not a rapid mass builder, instead Equipoise will be looked at to provide a slow but steady gain of strength and quality muscle mass. The most positive effects of this drug are seen when it is used for longer cycles, usually lasting more than 8-10 weeks in duration. The muscle gained should not be the smooth bulk seen with androgens, but very defined and solid. Since water bloat is not contributing greatly to the diameter of the muscle, much of the size gained on a cycle of Equipoise can be retained after the drug has been discontinued. It is interesting to note that structurally Equipoise and the classic bulking drug Dianabol are almost identical. In the case of Equipoise the compound uses a l7beta ester (undecylenate), while Dianabol is 17 alpha alkylated. Aside from this the molecules are the same. Of course they act quite differently in the body, which goes to show the 17-methylation effects more than just the oral efficacy of a steroid.

As discussed earlier, Equipoise is a very versatile compound. We can create a number of drug combinations with it depending on the desired result. For mass, one may want to stack it with Anadrol 50(oxymetholone) or an injectable testosterone such as Sustanon 250. The result should be an incredible gain of muscle size and strength, without the same intensity of side effects if using the androgen (at a higher dose) alone. During a cutting phase, muscle hardness and density can be greatly improved when combining Equipoise with a non-aromatizable steroid such as trenbolone acetate, Proviron (mesterolone; 1-methyl DHT), Halotestin (fluoxymesterone), or Winstrol (stanozolol). For some however, even the low buildup of estrogen associated with this compound is enough to relegate its use to bulking cycles only.

Equipoise is not an ideal steroid for the drug tested athlete however. This drug has the tendency to produce detectable metabolites in the urine months after use, a worry most commonly associated with Deca-Durabolin. This is of course due to the high oil solubility of long chain esterified injectable steroids, a property which enables the drug to remain deposited in fatty tissues for extended periods of time. While this will reliably slow the release of steroid into the blood stream, it also allows small residual amounts to remain present in the body far after the initial injection. The release of stubborn stores of hormone would no doubt also be enhanced around contest time, a period when the athlete drastically attempts to mobilize unwanted body fat. If enough were used in the off-season, the athlete may actually fail a drug screen for boldenone although many months may have past since the drug was last injected.

[Phate]

''The tendency to develop a noticeable amount of water retention with this drug would therefore be slightly higher than that with Deca-DurabolinO (with an estimated 20°/a conversion), but much less than what would be expected with a stronger agent such as Testosterone.''
this is what my sorce has posted about eq so this is not a true statment???

deca produces little water retention due to estrogen because of it's low conversion rate, but it's also a progestrone stimulator

Strangely, shorter estered versions of Boldenone are available as well. Anecdotally, many people (and manufacturers) claim that this produces less water retention...but water retention from Eq is virtually unheard of, so I consider this to be a silly idea.

[lovetobebig1984]

ok so what has the highest water retention of all gear?

[busaboy27]

ok so what has the highest water retention of all gear?

anadrol

[lovetobebig1984]

how about for an injectable?