Tbol + Var for 12 weeks

[poisoning.myself]

Hello,

I am new on the forum. let me introduce myself.
I am a brazilian with almost 29 years old.
I have been training for twelve years, and until now i am natural.
I decided to start using gears, because i think i have reach my plateau and i do not have the definition i would like to have.
My stats are: 1,8meters / 88 Kgs

I pretend to start on may the following cycle:

Week 01 - Tbol 20 mg + Var 20 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 02 - Tbol 20 mg + Var 20 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 03 - Tbol 30 mg + Var 30 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 04 - Tbol 30 mg + Var 30 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 05 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 30 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 06 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 30 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 07 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 08 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 09 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 10 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 11 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 12 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
+ plus at least more 4 weeks for PCT

Total Gears to be used. TBOL 294 / VAR 280 (all 10mgs)

I am going to start on May 12 (monday).

I am going to write the results and create a cycle log.

Now, i am writing here to see if anybody has advice on this cycle.

And regarding the PCT, I confess i do not have a solid idea of what i should use - i think maybe when i reach the week that i start using 40mg of Tbol and Var, i think i will use 10mgs of tamoxifen and by the end of the cycle i think i will use Clomid (wk1 40mg ED, wk2 30mg ED, wk3 30mg ED, wk4 20mg ED).

I appreciate all help, and as a return i will make a detailed cycle log with photos.

thanks
(i only access the internet on the night, but i will see and keep it update every day)

[shifty_git]

If you do that cycle you will live up2 your user name.

[200byjune]

youll be very disapointed with the results. how about

wk 1 tbol 30mgs
wk 2 tbol 50mgs
wk 3 tbol 50mgs
wk 4 tbol 60mgs
wk 6 tbol 70mgs

[poisoning.myself]

If you do that cycle you will live up2 your user name.

i chose that username, because here in brazil we call gears as poison.

and if i am on gears, i am using poison.

thanks

[poisoning.myself]

youll be very disapointed with the results. how about

wk 1 tbol 30mgs
wk 2 tbol 50mgs
wk 3 tbol 50mgs
wk 4 tbol 60mgs
wk 6 tbol 70mgs

i do not want exceed more than 40 mg for each gear.

and my main concern is not achieve great result in mass, my main goal is to shred.

thanks

[200byjune]

ok i can get massive on winny and i can get shredded on deca. you just pissed me off for some reason. and thats why instead of using 2 different steroids. you use 1 that will be most benifitting. and he ment youll b poisoning your liver. how about you do some research before you be a smartass. and here in new york we call smartasses, assholes

[poisoning.myself]

ok i can get massive on winny and i can get shredded on deca. you just pissed me off for some reason. and thats why instead of using 2 different steroids. you use 1 that will be most benifitting. and he ment youll b poisoning your liver. how about you do some research before you be a smartass. and here in new york we call smartasses, assholes

sorry, i did not mean that.

thanks

[Ashop]

run the ANAVAR 40-60mg day

[FunkLord]

That's too long to be taking "poison" Try to limit orals to 6 weeks.

[Outta Kontrol]

I agree with Funklord. That is way too long to be on an oral only cycle imo. But 2 good choices for your goals though... to shred. do a little more reading. I would probably just do 40 mg ed for 6 weeks and then start PCT. consider a needle if you want to cycle longer

[T3/T4 GSR]

Honestly if it is all you have you can give it a shot but I would seriously consider having your liver values checked every few weeks doing that and take liver support supps. A lot of injectables would suit that time fram much better. I would cut the duration down and increase the doseage. I have noticed a lot of people in some foreign countries seem to do weird cycles though.

[ChuckLee]

I think you're not going to poison yourself. They are both two of the milder anabolics available, under a certain dose. They aren't suppressive on natty HPTA function and even not harsh on the liver (under a certain limit).
I'd keep them on a 8 weeks course and keep a costant dosage as well.
I'm curious on how it's gonna be. Keep us posted and GOOD LUCK!

CL

[D-Unit 39]

I think you're not going to poison yourself. They are both two of the milder anabolics available, under a certain dose. They aren't suppressive on natty HPTA function and even not harsh on the liver (under a certain limit).
I'd keep them on a 8 weeks course and keep a costant dosage as well.
I'm curious on how it's gonna be. Keep us posted and GOOD LUCK!

CL

Was thinking the same thing. Keep a constant dose through the cycle... be careful not to take acetominephin or drink alcohol on this cycle, and just pay attention to signs of liver problems.

For an "oral only" cycle this one doesn't look too bad I dont think

[ChuckLee]

Was thinking the same thing. Keep a constant dose through the cycle... be careful not to take acetominephin or drink alcohol on this cycle, and just pay attention to signs of liver problems.

For an "oral only" cycle this one doesn't look too bad I dont think

I think an Dbol only or a Drol only would be way harsher on the liver, for sure.

CL

[poisoning.myself]

Honestly if it is all you have you can give it a shot but I would seriously consider having your liver values checked every few weeks doing that and take liver support supps. A lot of injectables would suit that time fram much better. I would cut the duration down and increase the doseage. I have noticed a lot of people in some foreign countries seem to do weird cycles though.

hi,
i went to a doctor that gave me some exams, problably i will do it on saturday and post the results here.

thanks for the tip

[poisoning.myself]

I think you're not going to poison yourself. They are both two of the milder anabolics available, under a certain dose. They aren't suppressive on natty HPTA function and even not harsh on the liver (under a certain limit).
I'd keep them on a 8 weeks course and keep a costant dosage as well.
I'm curious on how it's gonna be. Keep us posted and GOOD LUCK!

CL

i believe that too. (about being milder and about the hpta suppression)

i designed it to start with a small dosage and then increase it thruw the weeks.

i saw that you guys are saying it is better to make it constant. i will acept this advice.

so please i need that sm help me to re-design the cycle.

i have:
300 VAR 10mg caps
300 TBOL 10mg tabs

two thinks i would like:

-do not exceed 40mg of each gear and, (that will be a total of 80mg per day if the gears together with the maximum dose)
-try to finish with all gear i have, so problably i will need more than 8 weeks.

last thing, any idea of PCT?

should i use proviron, or tamoxifen during the cycle?

on the end should i start with clomid ? how ?

thanks

[poisoning.myself]

Was thinking the same thing. Keep a constant dose through the cycle... be careful not to take acetominephin or drink alcohol on this cycle, and just pay attention to signs of liver problems.

For an "oral only" cycle this one doesn't look too bad I dont think

hi,
i will stop drinking alcohol.

please what is the problem with acetominephin ? liver toxic ?

thank for you help

[Garbanzo Dude]

As others have said that's too long for an Oral Cycle and I think for your first cycle....If you have aceess to Kre-Alkyn or CEE add it....(helped my friend tons with Var only cycle) also orals will make your cholesteroll go way up.....add some kind of supplement for that. I looking at a very similar cycle in the near future......keep us posted on your results.

[fedorrulz]

Hello,

I am new on the forum. let me introduce myself.
I am a brazilian with almost 29 years old.
I have been training for twelve years, and until now i am natural.
I decided to start using gears, because i think i have reach my plateau and i do not have the definition i would like to have.
My stats are: 1,8meters / 88 Kgs

I pretend to start on may the following cycle:

Week 01 - Tbol 20 mg + Var 20 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 02 - Tbol 20 mg + Var 20 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 03 - Tbol 30 mg + Var 30 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 04 - Tbol 30 mg + Var 30 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 05 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 30 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 06 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 30 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 07 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 08 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 09 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 10 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 11 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
Week 12 - Tbol 40 mg + Var 40 mg (all every day / splitted doses)
+ plus at least more 4 weeks for PCT

Total Gears to be used. TBOL 294 / VAR 280 (all 10mgs)

I am going to start on May 12 (monday).

I am going to write the results and create a cycle log.

Now, i am writing here to see if anybody has advice on this cycle.

And regarding the PCT, I confess i do not have a solid idea of what i should use - i think maybe when i reach the week that i start using 40mg of Tbol and Var, i think i will use 10mgs of tamoxifen and by the end of the cycle i think i will use Clomid (wk1 40mg ED, wk2 30mg ED, wk3 30mg ED, wk4 20mg ED).

I appreciate all help, and as a return i will make a detailed cycle log with photos.

thanks
(i only access the internet on the night, but i will see and keep it update every day)

way to long a cycle for those orals. I did both solo. 5 weeks tbol , 6 weeks var. Make it short and you will be fine with sustain and nolva for pct.

[fedorrulz]

youll be very disapointed with the results. how about

wk 1 tbol 30mgs
wk 2 tbol 50mgs
wk 3 tbol 50mgs
wk 4 tbol 60mgs
wk 6 tbol 70mgs

50 for all 5 weeks is fine. Let's not be pussies, tbol is weak and doesn't need to be ramped up.

[fedorrulz]

i believe that too. (about being milder and about the hpta suppression)

i designed it to start with a small dosage and then increase it thruw the weeks.

i saw that you guys are saying it is better to make it constant. i will acept this advice.

so please i need that sm help me to re-design the cycle.

i have:
300 VAR 10mg caps
300 TBOL 10mg tabs

two thinks i would like:

-do not exceed 40mg of each gear and, (that will be a total of 80mg per day if the gears together with the maximum dose)
-try to finish with all gear i have, so problably i will need more than 8 weeks.

last thing, any idea of PCT?

should i use proviron, or tamoxifen during the cycle?

on the end should i start with clomid ? how ?

thanks

Take each one seperatly.that way you will know how your body reacts to them. keep doses low.

[torontodude]

I think an Dbol only or a Drol only would be way harsher on the liver, for sure.

CL

^^^
AGREE!!



My buddy did a similar cycle:
Tbol 60mg/day for 7 weeks
Var 50mg/day for 7 weeks
He used some nolva for pct and he had great results.

Keep us posted on your results and good luck!

[poisoning.myself]

way to long a cycle for those orals. I did both solo. 5 weeks tbol , 6 weeks var. Make it short and you will be fine with sustain and nolva for pct.

hi,

did you do both one after other, or did you do it with interval ?

which one do you think is better to start ? like first var than tbol or first tbol than var ?

can you tell the differences you felt between each gear ?

thanks

[poisoning.myself]

^^^
AGREE!!



My buddy did a similar cycle:
Tbol 60mg/day for 7 weeks
Var 50mg/day for 7 weeks
He used some nolva for pct and he had great results.

Keep us posted on your results and good luck!

both together ?

it is interesting, everybody prefers to use the dose of tbol a little higher than var.
do you know why?

[Deen54]

I think you should split it.. Tbol first finish it... no need to PCT it is mild keep it under
40 mg..

rest for 1 mtnh..

start the var keep it under 40 also....

but i would do PCT at the end to be safe.

if you combine them..you have to realize they are both 17aa steriods..which is
hard on the liver.
Alone no problem..cuz the steriod itself is mild.

Together the interaction will be harder on the liver.

i think the seperating the two you will keep and see more of the gain.

More does not mean better...ever heard of receptor saturation?

If you take too much..your receptors won't bind as effectively. When you take

a rest it allows for the receptors to respond better again.

Sort of like when you drink alcohol daily..after a while 6 beers and you are ok..
stop for a bit drink 2 beers and your high...your tolerance went down!

marijuana same thing... most drugs ...

[poisoning.myself]

I think you should split it.. Tbol first finish it... no need to PCT it is mild keep it under
40 mg..

rest for 1 mtnh..

start the var keep it under 40 also....

but i would do PCT at the end to be safe.

if you combine them..you have to realize they are both 17aa steriods..which is
hard on the liver.
Alone no problem..cuz the steriod itself is mild.

Together the interaction will be harder on the liver.

i think the seperating the two you will keep and see more of the gain.

More does not mean better...ever heard of receptor saturation?

If you take too much..your receptors won't bind as effectively. When you take

a rest it allows for the receptors to respond better again.

Sort of like when you drink alcohol daily..after a while 6 beers and you are ok..
stop for a bit drink 2 beers and your high...your tolerance went down!

marijuana same thing... most drugs ...

could be a possibility to split then, i would like to know if sm has already used this gears and can tell the effects and differences between then.

in your sugestion, for how long should i take each ?

thanks

[Deen54]

hey.. i think i may end up doing the same thing.

We need to hear from people who have tried both.

I was reading that t-bol..is something that depends on dosage..

meaning that more you take the bigger you get..so this changes things.

[fedorrulz]

hi,

did you do both one after other, or did you do it with interval ?

which one do you think is better to start ? like first var than tbol or first tbol than var ?

can you tell the differences you felt between each gear ?

thanks

I did tbol for 5 weeks,pct, didn't take anything for 2 months then took var. Tbol i liked first becuse it puts on some size. var didn't give me any size just help cut and with strength.

Tbol is the better deal as var is too much money for the result, but its safe so i use it.

[fedorrulz]

hey.. i think i may end up doing the same thing.

We need to hear from people who have tried both.

I was reading that t-bol..is something that depends on dosage..

meaning that more you take the bigger you get..so this changes things.

all steroids are dose dependent. I don't see the point use using more than 60 tbol and 60 var though.

[fedorrulz]

both together ?

it is interesting, everybody prefers to use the dose of tbol a little higher than var.
do you know why?

tbol increases your bodies test levels thats why. It does this by binding to the sex gobulin whatever, which will limit the test in your blood.

[Atomini]

I think you should split it.. Tbol first finish it... no need to PCT it is mild keep it under
40 mg..

rest for 1 mtnh..

start the var keep it under 40 also....

but i would do PCT at the end to be safe.

if you combine them..you have to realize they are both 17aa steriods..which is
hard on the liver.
Alone no problem..cuz the steriod itself is mild.

Together the interaction will be harder on the liver.

i think the seperating the two you will keep and see more of the gain.

More does not mean better...ever heard of receptor saturation?

If you take too much..your receptors won't bind as effectively. When you take

a rest it allows for the receptors to respond better again.

Sort of like when you drink alcohol daily..after a while 6 beers and you are ok..
stop for a bit drink 2 beers and your high...your tolerance went down!

marijuana same thing... most drugs ...

Just to let you know receptor saturation is a bullshit theory that has been disproved in a study they conducted on receptors in the presence of AAS. They discovered that muscle cells, in the presence of supraphysiological amounts of androgens actually grow MORE receptors even FASTER on the muscle cells.

[poisoning.myself]

hi.

the thing is i have:
300 tbol 10mg tabs
300 var 10mg caps

i read a lot, and i am very curious on the stack of both together.

has sm tryed to stack it together ?

i would like to design a cycle to use all gear i have.

can anyone help me ?


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just for information
i read fedorrulz saying that var is to expensive. i paid here in Brazil for 100 caps of 10mg about R$150,00 that is usd88, i think it is a good price...

thanks bye

[james21]

tbol increases your bodies test levels thats why. It does this by binding to the sex gobulin whatever, which will limit the test in your blood.

No it dosent.

And these are both very mild orals I think it would be fine. Personally I hate var though, but i would run 80mg tbol for 8-12 weeks

[Deen54]

I read a post from this guy who did both...here read his final results..his name is Cmore you can look it up..he did a begining to end post of everything that happened
(he split the two tbol first then var after no break)...but now would run them together.....read here...............

I would recommend tbol over var for mass/size. I would recommend var over tbol for strength, although not by much. Tbol gave good size gains and good strength and the var gave very little size and good strength. Basically I just like tbol better overall for my personal goals and tastes because it allowed me to gain some size. For a second cycle I will probably run something like this:

Weeks 1-8: Tbol 50 mg ED
Weeks 3-8: Var 30 mg ED

Two orals together, I know, but both are relatively low doses and only 80 mg ED total, which is around what a lot run var only at, so it should not be too hard on the liver. Will take milk thistle anyway, though.



..... he said he made most gains on tbol...he went from 141 to 155..all weight
came from t bol only 2 lbs came from var.
he became a big fan of tbol ...over var ...you can tell from his post.
Perhaps you should run it together like how he describes here.

Thanks for letting me know about the cell saturation theory Atomi..it is outdated..then again so am I...lol!!....i am glad it has been disproven...better for us.

Now i am thinking to purchase just tbol only and run with it.

[Atomini]

Thanks for letting me know about the cell saturation theory Atomi..it is outdated..then again so am I...lol!!....i am glad it has been disproven...better for us.

Yup, now the only logical reason why gains stop and/or slow down on cycle is because of the other proteins and counter-hormones the body produces to counter the high amounts of exogenous androgens (stuff like SHBG, cortisol, estrogen, etc.), not because of 'receptor saturation'.

[Atomini]

tbol increases your bodies test levels thats why. It does this by binding to the sex gobulin whatever, which will limit the test in your blood.

You're wrong. Tbol does not increase natural testosterone, it infact like any AAS, suppresses it.

What you're talking about is Tbol's ability to bind with SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), which is a protein that binds to sex hormones and renders them completely useless. Tbol's actions therefore prevent SHBG from rendering any other AAS you're using (in this case lets say testosterone) from being sitting around your bloodstream useless.

As a result, if you are using exogenous testosterone with Tbol, more testosterone you use will actually be able to be utilized in the body rather than being bound to SHBG and be useless.

[poisoning.myself]

any idea for PCT for this cycle ?