Moderate cycle for gyno senstive user

[J-Dogg]

First, thanks for reading and thanks for any advice. Sorry if this is full of multiple questions.
I’m looking to do a cycle, I’m debating on what stack however.
My biggest issue is really I’m gyno sensitive. I have some gyno from a tren/winny cycle years ago.
I’m most likely going to have surgery to repair this as I’ve tried letro/nova to reverse without much lasting results with it.
I’m looking for a cycle to put on solid weight, without a ton of water retention or bloating. I don’t need to put on 30lbs. Looking for a solid 10lbs.
My diet is in order and I make steady strength increases but genetically have a difficult time putting on size. While my partners gain size, I remain at 6’ 200lbs.
I was able to get from 184 to 203 from my winny/tren cycle and have retained the results for years after it without any other cycles.
I liked the Tren with the strength gains and the inherit results of keeping you dry and hard, but I fear that was the result of my gyno and just am not comfortable risking it getting worse.
Really I’m looking for anyone else who has been in this situation (prolactin gyno) and found something to produce similar results with lesser gyno sides.

P.S.
This is for preliminary information only, just looking for idea’s, Obviously more serious questions and research will be required after the initial information.

[magic32]

There are a variety of ways to cycle here, and I'm sure they'll be explored by others, but what interests me most is your gyno history. What therapeutic dosages and durations have you tried? My journal studies and personal trials with multiple sufferers have rendered both complete reversals and utterly satisfactory reduction in the circumference and depth of the condition. It should be noted that duration is the most prominent feature and typically lasts a minimum of 3 mths. Tx meds can be singularly, concurrently, or sequentially (best in my opinion) administered and also work extremely well in conjunction with non-aromatizing DHT only cycles which are also used in traditional Tx.

The point is if given proper attention even persistent pubertal gyno can be resolved or satisfactorily reduced with medications. Once, I finally finish my piece on the subject it’ll be eye-opening. Til then, let me know if you’d like to see any supportive collected data/information like that on the most resistant form, the aforementioned persistent pubertal gyno, which also experiences a measure of medicinal success as illustrated below.

Tamoxifen treatment for pubertal gynecomastia

We evaluated the efficacy of the tamoxifen treatment in 37 patients with pubertal gynecomastia. All had distinct, easily palpable breast swellings with a diameter of over three cm. Pain, tenderness, and swelling associated with gynecomastia were reported by six patients. Eight of the patients were obese. One patient also suffered from varicocele. Pain and size reduction was seen in all patients with tamoxifen treatment. No long-term side effects of tamoxifen were observed. The dose of tamoxifen was increased in three patients due to poor response. Two of the treatment group had recurrence problem at follow-up. We did not need to refer any patient to surgery. Tamoxifen treatment is relatively non-toxic, may be beneficial and we think it should be considered for pubertal gynecomastia.

Derman O, Kanbur NO, Kutluk T.
Section of Adolescent Medicine, Department of Pediatrics,
Hacettepe University Faculty of Medicine, 06100 Ankara-Turkey.

Treatment of persistent pubertal gynecomastia with dihydrotestosterone heptanoate.

Four boys with persistent pubertal gynecomastia were given intramuscular dihydrotestosterone heptanoate (DHT-hp) at 2 to 4-week intervals for 16 weeks. By the end of treatment, breast size in all four boys had decreased 67% to 78%. Initial plasma levels of gonadotropins, estradiol, testosterone, and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) were normal. Mean plasma DHT concentration rose with the injections of DHT-hp, and remained elevated throughout the treatment period. Estradiol, LH, FSH, and testosterone decreased during treatment, as did 24-hour urinary LH and FSH. No regrowth of breast tissue was observed 6 to 15 months after treatment, although hormone concentrations had returned to near pretreatment values by 2 months after the last injection. DHT-hp has potential to be an effective medical therapy for persistent pubertal gynecomastia.

Eberle AJ; Sparrow JT; Keenan BS
J Pediatr 1986 Jul;109(1):144-9.

Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.

OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and raloxifen in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia. STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene). RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients. CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.

Lawrence SE; Faught KA; Vethamuthu J; Lawson ML
J Pediatr. 2004 Jul;145(1):71-6.

[GoldieTheMack]

Top notch as usual Magic!