Whats better to drink post workout, Liquid egg whites mixed with some juice or skim milk ( about 4-5 egg whites) or a whey protein shake?
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Whats better to drink post workout, Liquid egg whites mixed with some juice or skim milk ( about 4-5 egg whites) or a whey protein shake?
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Whey protein shake with some WMS.
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x 2..Originally Posted by jfew44
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Egg whites, NO milk, some EFA's (peanuts, PB, Almonds), and 5 grams BCAA.
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Egg whites has has far more complete Amino Acids profile over Whey. its .97 vs .92 in Whey.
On the other hand about 75% of the whey protein is consumed. Say you take according to the nutrition chart 25 grams in one scoop, you actually got about 17-18 grams only. In the egg whites 1 cup wjites is worth about 40 grams of which your body consumes about 36-37.
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egg whites
sweet potato
fish oil
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what is EFA?
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Essential Fatty Acids
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what is WMS?
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Waxy Maize Starch
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And of that only 20-25% of the AA is actually assimilated as new mass. Damn laws of thermodynamics.....LOL
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people and their wms. have you ever researched it? it doesn't do shit. keep it simple. use your whey PWO and carb up.
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I would recommend a carb source over a fat source post work out. Maybe you can learn me on why you advocate nuts and/or peanut butter?
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maybe i cut with fats post workout when im depleting and no adipose tissue is stored. If your asking why some use EFAs after workouts with carbs? well it depends on the individual, but ive found it to work great for me to eat balanced meals and nothing but healthy fats for any fat i consume. I understand the thought of depleted glycogen stores being refilled if you will by fat from the spike in insulin but it has been my experience (over theory) that i dont store fat meerly because I consume it post workout.
plus i gotta give it to smokethedays, he has transformed like crazy this past year or so, he seems to have the same kind of genes i do in regards to his respinse to diet.
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"Educated bodybuilders all know healthy fats are necessary PWO.
Since when will 7-8 grams of healthy fats slow down digestion any more than having beef PWO? Think about it...
Further, you need fats to aid in digestion.
Do you really think your post work meal is going towards growth? If you do, you're sadly mistaken. The bodies first thing it will do after training is replenish energy(glycogen). Your body doesn't give a rat ass about muscle. Our bodies need energy to function and that's the first thing after training your body does. Secondly, did you know it takes upwards of 48 hrs to completely replenish gylcogen stores?
So tell me how one meal with healthy fats is going to make or break your training?
It's scientifically proven for proper protein synthesis to occur healthy fats must be present. "
-Pinnacle
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"I see no need to consume any carbs intra workout. I have used a variation of Milo's cocktail for years now intra workout(excluding the carbs).
Pre work out the most an individual would need is 30 grams of low GI carbs to sustain energy while training. For some reason people think they burn huge amounts of glycogen (carbs) during a training session. That isn't so at all. Arnold, who trained high volume,and for prolonged periods, only burned 350 calories during a training session. DOCUMENTED FACT!
I know all the mumbo jumbo about using fast digesting carbs PWO, but over the years I've found through experimenting on myself, and many trainee's that there is absolutely no difference in growth between consuming high GI carbs PWO and consuming low GI carbs. There is a huge difference in BF accumulation though. Low GI carbs keep you much leaner thus allowing you to consume more on a daily basis, and carbs are needed for growth, especially training HIT.
My PWO meal that I've been eating for several years now is egg whites and sweet potato right in my car in the parking lot. No shakes ever...shocking! Uncanny thing is, I'm making great progress on a yearly basis and my body fat never exceeds 11% at any given time.
Also, guys usually consume far too many carbs in their PWO shake, then consume far too many carbs at their PWO meal. Then they wonder why they look like f*cking blimps. Someone tell me how a guy with an LBM of say 180 pounds needs 75 g of carbs in a PWO shake,and then needs 75 g more at their PWO meal. Most pro's I'm friends with don't even consume that many carbs in one sitting. You need healthy fats PWO. They are calorie dense so you need to take that into account as well. 50 g carbs,plus moderate healthy fat is more than enough for most individuals with an LBM of over 180. "
-Pinnacle
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Yes I have researched it. WMS replenishes glycogen stores faster than dextrose, without bloating. Either is fine, I just like not having the stomach bloat after my workout. Easier to eat more for my post workout meal.
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wms does nothing of the sort. may i see the article?
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what do you suggest
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I am a tad confused, you are advocating the need for fats PWO throughout your statement yet you say you are making great progress for years eating egg whites and sweet potatoes in the parking lot PWO.
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Your going to have to take it up with Pinnacle.
I simply just quoted him.
Maybe he can chime in and clarify for you. I shot him a PM, he should be around.
Last edited by xlxBigSexyxlx; 08-22-2008 at 10:10 AM.
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My diet towards the end was a bit strange, I got help from famous BBers at my gym, Not sure if i should use their names here. but all i can say that they got Pro cards.
my diet was 11 meals on workout days and 9 meals on non workout days.
8:00 8 egg whites/1 cup oats/.5 scoop whey
9:30 6 egg whites/ .5 cup oats/ .5 scoop whey/10 grams EFA
11:00 Workout and cardio (short sprints, uphill walk) and 1 muscle group or two small muscles (Bi and tri)
post work out
12:00 1 scoop whey, 6 eggs whites, 5 grams BCAA, EFA, 1 Banana
1:00 6 oz chicken Breast, .5 cup oats
3:00 6 oz chicken, EFA, 1 cup veggies
5:00 8 Egg whites, EFA, 1 cup Veggies
7:00 1.5 scoop whey, EFA
8:30 Work out
9:30 1 scoop whey (post workout)
10:00 6 oz chicken, EFA, Vegies
12:00 12 oz FF Cottage cheese, EFA
4:00 am 1 scoop whey mixed with EFA
On non work out day, i'd take out the post workout meal and the 4:00 am meal. Reduce carbs slighlty.
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WMS is just another starchy insulin spiker. the issue here if you are trying to lean out, the insulin spike is going to make that very hard.
I'm with you Fire guy on WMS or any other similar stuff like dex. on bulk diets but to lean out NO NO NO.
I found it best for me to eat a small fruit like a banana or apple after a REAL hard workout, like CArdio+ Weights.
Fat lipids are usually existant in ur blood stream all day. Now the insulin u spiked with WMS will trun that to Tri-Glycrides whcih u don't want when trying to lean out.
Like I said when bulking that is a good thing to do.
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those two pix are when I used 60-80 grams of carbs in my post work out meal. compare that to my other recentlry posted pix and u'll see the difference in cutting those carbs in PWM down to about 20 grams from fruit with little EFA.
Veni, Vedi, Vici.
here are the ones with less carbs and little EFA post work out.
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from the arnold s. enclyclopedia of bb, eggs need the yolk to be a complete protien. the whey I have says its 100% ba (bio-available), ie, complete
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can we do this through supplements that aid in digestion, like bromean (sp?)
Veni, Vedi, Vici.
Thats why the Egg whites are 97% complete.
It is complete is different than what your body will use.
it could say (and I doubt it is) 100% but in case of Whey, u are lucky if ur body used 75% of it.
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are you sure about this. cause if so Im going to start dropping the yolks. If I had to guess id say it was closer to 67%. which is how complete the chicken is post birth.
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For the past 7 years I have been using 20-30 Egg whites/day instead of shakes.
Obviously it works.
Research it.
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Bromelain. And no.
Your body manufactures enzymes, it does NOT manufacture EFA's. That is the entire reason why we take them.
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good lookin out
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man thats an expensive habbit. 18 eggs is like $2.38 at my local store. do you know a chichen farmer?
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any carb source. no need for dextrose and that garbage. why would u want to eat sugar? eat some oats or potatoes. about 50g would be plenty.
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do you drink them also? I find it much easier to drink the allwhites than cook them and try and eat them. The ones I have are heat pasteurized so I am still convinced I am getting all of the possible bioavailable protein.
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RAW babe, for 7 years, and now problems wt so ever, I buy my eggs at Trader Joe's so they are organic and not hormoned the fvck up.
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arent the organics costly? I personally drink the allwhites from the carton, 2.50 for 60 gm of egg protein not too bad as it is my breakfast drink and post workout also, so 5bucks ED is about what it works out to, what about you smoke?
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