I was gonna take primo by itself but it sooo hard to get a hold of where i live......sooo i have a couple of friends who took clen by itself jus to get ripped and not to bulk or anything like that and thats what i am after .....i jus want to get ripped i am not worried to much about the bulk.....and i was thinking about doin a 8 week cycle of clen becuase i can for sure get ahold of that with no problem ......i was just wanting some insight about it from the people on this forum ........