Stockpiling for second cycle

[sonysucks]

Good day.
In preperation for a second cycle I have been reading and reading and stocking up on what seems to be the proper ingredients for me.. Its a tough chore to decipher the opinions and find some common thinking to seperate fact from fiction. I have still not been able to figure it out. Sio I am hoping to lay out the ingredients and have the cooks tell me what works well together.
I have 24 1cc vials of sust.
2000 mg of dbol
2000mg of winny.
a couple cycles of clen.
1000 mg of anavar. .
And I have bet to get some proviron or I may just use the arimidex I have.
You cant tell much without tmy stats so here they are.
5'9" and 175 lbs. about 15%bf and currently doing pre breakfast cardio for 30 min 5 times a day and lifting 5 times a week.
Diet is good with meals every 3-4 hours
Beer is a weakness....but after summer that can be controlled better.
This cycle will start around nov 15th.
My goals. Well I have decent gentics for muscles except for the chest and legs. Can not seem to add mush size there,so they will be the focus.
How would I be best served by what I have collected.
For pct I have arimidex and nolvadex.
Cheers

[WARMachine]

Thats all terrible, send it to me!

[WARMachine]

Your BF% is too high to run an effective cycle... Its needs to be around 12%...

age
diet summary/# meals per day (include how much your food weighs and macros)
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

[mkrulic]

so your goal is to bulk? how old are you?

[mkrulic]

btw, you should be eating every two hours imho.

[Stingvenom]

What was your first cycle like?
All that orals+beer=bad for liver
If youre gonna proceed with cycle in November you have bout 2 months to get bf down.
At your weight I dont see the need for stacking,just run 500mg of sust for 12 weeks followed by pct.

[WARMachine]

At 175lbs and 15%BF, your diet sucks...

Post a days worth of food intake for me...

Include macros...

[sonysucks]

Sorry ,but honestly that would be to tough to achieve to eat more frequently. I hope we can work with what I can pull together.
I am early 40's.
I have been working out for about 5 years now.
To bulk you say. I am not too chubby presently and the need is to put on some size on my chest and legs. So I will cautiuosly agree,but must add that from what I have seen of some bulking cycle results I do not want to look like that. I will continue to eat well as I do not want to get chubby.
One thing for instance that I am unsure of is the dbol and winstrol, and wether they should be taking in succession or perhaps even overlapped a few weeks?

[sonysucks]

More responses while I was typing. Please add my typing to the list of what sucks.

[mkrulic]

Sorry ,but honestly that would be to tough to achieve to eat more frequently. I hope we can work with what I can pull together.
I am early 40's.
I have been working out for about 5 years now.
To bulk you say. I am not too chubby presently and the need is to put on some size on my chest and legs. So I will cautiuosly agree,but must add that from what I have seen of some bulking cycle results I do not want to look like that. I will continue to eat well as I do not want to get chubby.
One thing for instance that I am unsure of is the dbol and winstrol, and wether they should be taking in succession or perhaps even overlapped a few weeks?

winstrol should not be taken at all. you want to put size on in two areas? either cut or bulk. drive east or west. you need to add or subract 500 cals from maintaniance cals. do what war4BTT said. we can tell you need nutrition help.

[WARMachine]

You should always bulk first, then cut...

Post a diet in the correct section so others and I can cretique it...

[sonysucks]

Yes and yes. My first cycle was a great success as I now look so much better and have fended off a chroinc back problem. So I was very pleased. I did however not gain any weight ...but most noticeably replaced the weight of body fat with measured increases in my shoulders arms and a little in the chest and a 3 inch decrease in my waist !!!
Which at 40 is great news.
The bf was 12% after that cycle.
Yes I am up a bit now . I should be easily at 168-170 lbs . And will be by october.
Sorry I am not aware of what a macro is except for the ones i set into my remote control.
A days meal is easy. Pre breaky cardio. Then 3 eggs cooked with hemp seeds ,a slice of toast and a banana.(15g fat and 20 grams protien and 50 g of carbs from the bread and banana) Then workout followed by a shake of hemp protein. (whey is a bit of a tolerance problem. and the hemp is a great source of oils too although a bit fatty,but its the best solution I have become aware of.)
Then for lunch its always chicken. about 100 grams (about 25g of protien and maybe 1 g of fat and a v8 drink which is a few carbs and too much sodium and some fruit .
The midday its a snack of nuts and a bar.( about 20g of fat 80 g of carbs and 30 g of protien. and again over 300mg of damn sodium)
Dinner . Fish and a salad. at about 30 g of fat and another 60g of protien. (really low carbs)
Snack around 8. whatever is left from dinner.
These are the only things I pay attention to and to boot its just the main ingredients. I dont have the discipline to keep track of the sauces and spices. But at the end of the day I am just over 200 calories. and have about 150 g of protien.
Thanks for the time taken to coach me.

[sonysucks]

How many calories did all that typing just burn???

[one8nine]

edit: he already posted his diet

[one8nine]

How many calories did all that typing just burn???

ahha go over to www.fitday.com and look it up
they tell you the caloris of everything even picking your nose, sneezing, farting everything. freal

[sonysucks]

No winny eh. My concerns were right. I was wondering if after bulking up with the dbol if then changing to winny would be counterproductive?

[sonysucks]

great link btw, thanks 189

[Johny-too-small]

You cycle is a joke. All you need is diet. God man, youre 175lbs at 15% bf and running gear. Wtf? Please for your health and longevity, wise up bro.

[one8nine]

johny is right i dont think youre in condition to cycle right now expecially something crazy like this cycle

No winny eh. My concerns were right. I was wondering if after bulking up with the dbol if then changing to winny would be counterproductive?

this statements prove you need more research, diet determines a bulk or cut,
dbol would help your size/strength while at the end winny would make you hard and strong theres nothing counterproductive about that

[sonysucks]

189 buddy , it was a question, notice the question mark. I have done acres of reading and from that had felt that the dbol and winny are tools to do exactly what you summarized,and I do realize diet is the motor ,but the products chosen help to steer.
For instance ,you dont bulk on winny right?
My concern about the use of winny in concert with dbol or after dbol has brought about the same results as much of my reading...an ambigous argument.
Winny shouldnt be taken at all and to follow the comment that you added leave it clear as mud.So please realize I was not satisfied with the lack of clarity from all my research and felt I could get great answers through this thread.
Please recognize that I am new to this and will be doing the second cycle (as you all know all us newbies have our minds made up anyways) but I am desiring to fine tune my understanding before I make TOO MANY ,mistakes...hell I dont want to make make any really ,and thats why I have posed these questions. I have come to the top of the mountain seeking your wisdom boys.
Lastly whats so wrong with 175 lbs and 15% bf. I dont look that bad.

[Johny-too-small]

189 buddy , it was a question, notice the question mark. I have done acres of reading and from that had felt that the dbol and winny are tools to do exactly what you summarized,and I do realize diet is the motor ,but the products chosen help to steer.
For instance ,you dont bulk on winny right?
My concern about the use of winny in concert with dbol or after dbol has brought about the same results as much of my reading...an ambigous argument.
Winny shouldnt be taken at all and to follow the comment that you added leave it clear as mud.So please realize I was not satisfied with the lack of clarity from all my research and felt I could get great answers through this thread.
Please recognize that I am new to this and will be doing the second cycle (as you all know all us newbies have our minds made up anyways) but I am desiring to fine tune my understanding before I make TOO MANY ,mistakes...hell I dont want to make make any really ,and thats why I have posed these questions. I have come to the top of the mountain seeking your wisdom boys.
Lastly whats so wrong with 175 lbs and 15% bf. I dont look that bad.

Listen, its not how BAD or GOOD you look. If you read my post, its about YOUR GOD DAMN HEALTH.

Take care, bro. Im serious, take care.

[DS21]

Try upping your protein intake to 250grms per day. 150grms isn't much. Just because you use aas doesn't mean the areas you lack in are going to grow. No matter how hard I work my traps they just don't grow. Hopefuly upping your protein intake will work for you.

[mkrulic]

Try upping your protein intake to 250grms per day. 150grms isn't much. Just because you use aas doesn't mean the areas you lack in are going to grow. No matter how hard I work my traps they just don't grow. Hopefuly upping your protein intake will work for you.

how did you come up w/ 250?

[mkrulic]

No winny eh. My concerns were right. I was wondering if after bulking up with the dbol if then changing to winny would be counterproductive?

not contraproductive, just unncessary. It doesnt burn fat. if you are in the single digits bf% it can make you look harder while you are on. so what is the point of adding it to your run?

[DSM4Life]

Diet before gear.

[sonysucks]

I will increase my protein intake when I am on for sure. Thanks. I did last time I was on also.
Johnny please elaborate for me on any health concerns...you have me a bit stunned...deer in the headlights kinda thing.
I have not yet decided on the cycles ingredients. My post was hoping that with these pieces that I have gathered you can suggest the best mix.
Thanks again.

[DSM4Life]

I will increase my protein intake when I am on for sure. Thanks. I did last time I was on also.
Johnny please elaborate for me on any health concerns...you have me a bit stunned...deer in the headlights kinda thing.
I have not yet decided on the cycles ingredients. My post was hoping that with these pieces that I have gathered you can suggest the best mix.
Thanks again.

This is your problem

Meal one
3 eggs cooked with hemp seeds ,a slice of toast and a banana

workout

Post workout shake

shake of hemp protein (and you admit it has fat) Why would you want fat in a post workout shake ?


Meal 2
"chicken" doesn't help, what size portion?

meal 3 ---i mean "snack" as you put it
nuts and a bar


meal 4 dinner
Fish and a salad, again without portion size this is useless.

snack 5
left over from dinner, umm really ?

Your diet is no where near where it should be. On top of that you are thinking of gear, please man. I am 165lbs 5'6 and i eat more than you just to maintain !

[spywizard]

age 40+

so you have had a physical recently??

what was the blood work like?? cholesterol in specific??

Have you had your prostate checked??

Steroids can make many things grow, the older we get the likelyhood that things we don't want growing will.

My cholesterol has been as high as 375 so it's no joke..

these are just some of the issues we face once we get older..

by the way, decide they body type/goals you want to get to, then ask yourself why..

47 yrs
5'9
203 thank goodness, down from 216 after this recent cut.. 12%bf

good luck

[one8nine]

189 buddy , it was a question, notice the question mark. I have done acres of reading and from that had felt that the dbol and winny are tools to do exactly what you summarized,and I do realize diet is the motor ,but the products chosen help to steer.
For instance ,you dont bulk on winny right?
My concern about the use of winny in concert with dbol or after dbol has brought about the same results as much of my reading...an ambigous argument.
Winny shouldnt be taken at all and to follow the comment that you added leave it clear as mud.So please realize I was not satisfied with the lack of clarity from all my research and felt I could get great answers through this thread.
Please recognize that I am new to this and will be doing the second cycle (as you all know all us newbies have our minds made up anyways) but I am desiring to fine tune my understanding before I make TOO MANY ,mistakes...hell I dont want to make make any really ,and thats why I have posed these questions. I have come to the top of the mountain seeking your wisdom boys.
Lastly whats so wrong with 175 lbs and 15% bf. I dont look that bad.

winny is a great bulking drug
it binds to shbg and frees up test and helps with strength
i bulk on masteron which is very close to the same drug

im sorry if i came off rude i just was trying to point out you shouldnt start until you have things like that cleared up

[Phate]

no offense to the thread starter, but if you want i can help critique your diet if you copy paste it into this thread, but from what i saw that DSM posted, i'm gonna have to tear it to shreds and start from the ground up


if you decide you want some help with it, post your Caloric Daily Requirements as well as well

[sonysucks]

Physical a cou[ple years ago. Told my doc about my plans since it seemed wise to have him in on it,and he shunned it really harshly so that was no help.
I only check my BP and its always fine...even on clen.
I understand now the idea of lowering the bf as you have just explained that fat is like the breeding ground for bad sides so its healthy to have less of it....thanks for really offering up that clear explanation.
So the plan is starting to come together, begiining with diet and lowering bf then adding about double my protien intake and then with some more help coming up with the cycle ingredients from what I have stocked up.