Best place to run CLEN with a cycle?

[WOLFCRAFT]

Before cycle, during, pct, or after pct?

Or can you run it anywhere?

Only info I could find on this said run it pct but then I saw something else saying running it during pct is risky...

Can anyone help me on this one?

By the way, the cycle is tren a and test e with letro, and the pct is nolva and aromasin.

Thanks.

[WARMachine]

That PCT isnt enough...

You should get HCG... Maybe even a little clomid 20mg/Day is good...


Why do you even want to run clen if your doing a all Enat cycle?

Why dont you bulk, then cut?

[one8nine]

anywere but pct seems the most popular
clean can have bad sides

[WOLFCRAFT]

Thanks one8nine.
I think I'm going to run it for 2 weeks before cycle starts, and then during PCT.
If I don't like the sides I'll stop.

[one8nine]

explain again why youre shooting tren every day but test e?

[WOLFCRAFT]

That's what my trainer recommended.
And really just what I could get my hands on.
I asked around and there didn't seem to be any problem running the two together.

[WARMachine]

There is no problem, but if youre pinning Tren ED, youd be advised to switch to Prop and pin them at the same time ED...

Short esters rock!

[WOLFCRAFT]

Yeah I hear ya.
I'm only running tren the first 8 weeks, so I guess the upside is the last 4 I'll only have to do twice a week injections with the test e.

[WARMachine]

Well your test will start showing around 4-6weeks...

That will only leave 2-4 weeks of both compounds working together...

Its up to you bro, i would shoot Prop w/Ace...

Or switch Ace for E, you could do that too...

[WOLFCRAFT]

Right on.
Well I already got my gear for this one, but maybe next time I'll run two short esters together.
I'm not so much worried about the two compounds working together as I am having test in my system to stop the tren from shutting me down.
I foolishly ran a short tren only cycle last time and by week 5 I was a miserable prick and had to stop.

[WARMachine]

hahah happens tot he best of us...

Its all trial and error...

As long as you do your HW, your errors should be minimal...

[WOLFCRAFT]

Ha, I've never been very good at homework.

[WARMachine]

yeah well who needs school anyway?

When you can be like me and use your head as a punching bag for a living!

[rhino1]

yeah well who needs school anyway?

When you can be like me and use your head as a punching bag for a living!

d check your mail...

[lcstriker07]

What it he used tren weeks 4-12 instead so he was trully on both products at the same time for the longest time? <-- I think I worded that really wierd...

Sorry to hijack bro, Just curious for future referrence.

[one8nine]

what if?
then he would be AT PEAK of both products at the same time

[thewiser]

In my notes I have found that Clenbuterol cause androgen receptors to downgrade, possibly making steroids less effective. Studies have shown that certain anti-histimines may restore receptor function. this may be a reason not to stack clen with the building phase of you cycle.

another thing to consider is that the highly anticatabolic effect of different steroids reduce the body's effect of cortisone. you body will react by creating more cortisone receptors. this is fine until you stop and the rush of cortisone forms molecule/receptor pairs which breaks down amino acids and transforms them to sugar. more here: http://www.steroid.com/offster.php

a good plan is to use Clen starting the last week of the cycle to block cortisone receptors which will enable you to maintain a large portion of the strength and muscle mass built up during your cycle.

[WOLFCRAFT]

Thanks for the advice wiser, that sounds like a solid idea.

And the reason I wasn't going to run the tren weeks 4-12 was so I could get things going the first 4 weeks with the tren while the enth is still getting in my system.
I guess it's all a matter of preference on how you want to do it.
I might consider doing the tren weeks 4-12 if you guys think that'd be better for the cycle overall?
Or shit I could even compromise and do tren weeks 2-10...
?