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    Help w/ first cycle (Did research and planned it out, just need someone to look over)

    Ok, so I'm looking to run my very first cycle starting in mid-November. I've been doing research for quite some time and here is what I've planned out. I'd appreciate it if those more experienced with juice could take the time to look at it and correct any mistakes I may have made. My stats are 21 years old, 190lbs @ 7% bf, been training for about 2.5 years, bodybuilding for 2. I did a few natural shows this past spring but want to step things up to NPC for 2010.

    12 weeks Test-Cyp @ 400mg/wk
    (Monday, Nov. 10th-Monday, Feb. 2nd)

    .5mg Arimidex everyday while on Test

    1500IU HCG Monday Jan. 26th, Sunday Feb. 1st, Saturday Feb. 7th, Friday Feb. 13th, and Thursday Feb. 19th

    40mg Nolvadex/day
    Monday, Feb. 16th-Monday, March 1st)
    20mg Nolvadex/day
    Monday, March 2nd-Sunday, March 15th)

    I appreciate any help that you guys can offer. Thanks.

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    Im assuming bulk is your goal. I like the way you have the aas laid out. Have you looked into carb cycling? its a pre-cycle diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spfldmusclefreak View Post
    Ok, so I'm looking to run my very first cycle starting in mid-November. I've been doing research for quite some time and here is what I've planned out. I'd appreciate it if those more experienced with juice could take the time to look at it and correct any mistakes I may have made. My stats are 21 years old, 190lbs @ 7% bf, been training for about 2.5 years, bodybuilding for 2. I did a few natural shows this past spring but want to step things up to NPC for 2010.

    12 weeks Test-Cyp @ 400mg/wk
    (Monday, Nov. 10th-Monday, Feb. 2nd)

    .5mg Arimidex everyday while on Test

    1500IU HCG Monday Jan. 26th, Sunday Feb. 1st, Saturday Feb. 7th, Friday Feb. 13th, and Thursday Feb. 19th

    40mg Nolvadex/day
    Monday, Feb. 16th-Monday, March 1st)
    20mg Nolvadex/day
    Monday, March 2nd-Sunday, March 15th)

    I appreciate any help that you guys can offer. Thanks.
    Frontload first week with 1200mg and so that would cut it into 10 weeks which is still plenty of time to grow. Don't see a need to use arimidex, will just hinder gains, especially using that much. Everything else seems fine.

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    i would bump up the test to 500 week.

    dont bother using the AI during the cycle. wont be needed unless your very prone to gyno. in which case keep an eye on your body and throw in some letro if you see signs

    add in clomid to your PCT.

    just my 2cc's

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    Quote Originally Posted by dece870717 View Post
    Frontload first week with 1200mg and so that would cut it into 10 weeks which is still plenty of time to grow. Don't see a need to use arimidex, will just hinder gains, especially using that much. Everything else seems fine.
    i dont really see the point of frontloading. its not really 100% effective. if his diet and training are on par. then during those 4 weeks or so that it takes the test to reach stable blood levels, he will still see gains and then really blow up after it kicks in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw;4170***
    i dont really see the point of frontloading. its not really 100% effective. if his diet and training are on par. then during those 4 weeks or so that it takes the test to reach stable blood levels, he will still see gains and then really blow up after it kicks in.
    Frontloading always makes any roid work so much faster as blood levels of it peak far quicker and gains are seen a lot sooner. Whats the point of having long drawn out cycles when you only really get 4-5 weeks of actual gains in a 10-12 week cycle. You get those gains once the roid peaks which is about 4-5 weeks into the cycle(without frontloading) and then 4-5 weeks of gains. If you frontload or use enough throughout you can peak within 1-2 weeks and start getting gains much sooner and get off much quicker as gains will cease within 4-5 week period after peak levels are reached and then you can get back on sooner since you are off quicker. From personal experience long cycles are a waste and short heavy cycles are more effective and much better health wise.
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    thanks guys, I plan on shooting Test 2x/week (200mg/shot). I'll skip the AI and my body is very acceptable of carbs so I don't really see a need to carb cycle. I'm currently eating about 600g/day offseason natural.

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    As to front loading, I'll do the 1200mg first week and cut my cycle to 10 weeks. sound good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spfldmusclefreak View Post
    As to front loading, I'll do the 1200mg first week and cut my cycle to 10 weeks. sound good?
    I think you'll like it much better that way. You should see gains by week 3.

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    That first week will probably feel insane, huh? Having never juiced before and then shooting 1200mg testosterone lol. I'm excited already.

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    Also, how many 10ml bottles of test will I need if it's 200mg/mL? 3? but I'll only use about 2.5 bottles, right? I think I figured it out correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spfldmusclefreak View Post
    That first week will probably feel insane, huh? Having never juiced before and then shooting 1200mg testosterone lol. I'm excited already.
    It won't feel really any different you are just going to feel gains sooner. Heres a good little read about it http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=125401

    Quote Originally Posted by spfldmusclefreak View Post
    Also, how many 10ml bottles of test will I need if it's 200mg/mL? 3? but I'll only use about 2.5 bottles, right? I think I figured it out correctly.
    Yes you would use 2.5 bottles, but if you got 3 just use the other 5ml left over of the third bottle and add another ml into ur cycle for the last 5 weeks.

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    awesome bro, thanks.
    How many nolva tabs will I need?
    they're 10mg tabs, right?
    so 87?

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    This right for the Nolva?

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    i have a quick question about frontloading..im also doing my first cycle of test enth...600 mg/week...nolva 10mg ed...and ldex .25ed..... So should i take 1200 first day or first week? I was planning on doing a 10 week cycle..i have 2 10ml bottles of test enth that is 300mg/ml. Thanks for your help guys.

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    Well since it's test-e, you're probably shooting once/week, correct? Take 1200mg that first shot I'd assume then.

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    no..shooting twice a week....300 monday...300 thursdays

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    Quote Originally Posted by spfldmusclefreak View Post
    Well since it's test-e, you're probably shooting once/week, correct? Take 1200mg that first shot I'd assume then.
    1.2grams in one shot?

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    Why in the hell are these new guys asking about frontloading for their first cycles?

    1.2Grams in one shot is a terrible idea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spfldmusclefreak View Post
    Ok, so I'm looking to run my very first cycle starting in mid-November. I've been doing research for quite some time and here is what I've planned out. I'd appreciate it if those more experienced with juice could take the time to look at it and correct any mistakes I may have made. My stats are 21 years old, 190lbs @ 7% bf, been training for about 2.5 years, bodybuilding for 2. I did a few natural shows this past spring but want to step things up to NPC for 2010.

    12 weeks Test-Cyp @ 400mg/wk
    (Monday, Nov. 10th-Monday, Feb. 2nd)

    .5mg Arimidex everyday while on Test

    1500IU HCG Monday Jan. 26th, Sunday Feb. 1st, Saturday Feb. 7th, Friday Feb. 13th, and Thursday Feb. 19th

    40mg Nolvadex/day
    Monday, Feb. 16th-Monday, March 1st)
    20mg Nolvadex/day
    Monday, March 2nd-Sunday, March 15th)

    I appreciate any help that you guys can offer. Thanks.

    go for 500 mgs test, 0.25 mg a-dex should be more than enough, have letro on hand aswell, dont have more than 5000iu hcg over a 4 week peroid, 1000 iu per week is more than enough, start hcg in week 10-14, so its last 2 weeks of cycle and first 2 weeks of pct, then continue pct for another 2 weeks, have proviron at 5omgs aday with the nolva.

    and make sure YOU HAVE ALL YOUR GEAR AND THE PCT GEAR BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT STARTING, trust me youll be over the moon with your gains, great cycle, best of luck

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    Thanks guys, plan on having EVERYTHING in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    i would bump up the test to 500 week.

    dont bother using the AI during the cycle. wont be needed unless your very prone to gyno. in which case keep an eye on your body and throw in some letro if you see signs

    add in clomid to your PCT.

    just my 2cc's
    *cries* i have to run letro damn near all the time

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    please run your ai on cycle
    prevention > fighting it

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    so if I do run the Arim, is .5mg/day sufficient?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spfldmusclefreak View Post
    so if I do run the Arim, is .5mg/day sufficient?
    .25mg ed to start, up it if you need
    but your hcg is all screwed up too

    hcg crash course
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

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