beginner cycle - dbol or test prop to jump start?

[jg42058p]

i was thinking of doing a basic beginners cycle and was wondering what would be better to jump start with it

I was thinking of doing this
weeks 1-10 Test E @ 500mg/week

and jump starting it by using these dosages

weeks 1-3 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD

OR

weeks 1-4 Dbol @ 40mg/day

along with armidex and nolvadex weeks 1-14
and clomid PCT starting week 12


what do you think would be better - test prop at that dosage or dbol at that dosage? My goals are basically just strength and size

[Maverick_J8]

D-bol all the way.

More strength and size.

[Reed]

i was thinking of doing a basic beginners cycle and was wondering what would be better to jump start with it

I was thinking of doing this
weeks 1-10 Test E @ 500mg/week

and jump starting it by using these dosages

weeks 1-3 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD

OR

weeks 1-4 Dbol @ 40mg/day

along with armidex and nolvadex weeks 1-14
and clomid PCT starting week 12


what do you think would be better - test prop at that dosage or dbol at that dosage? My goals are basically just strength and size

Yes go with the dbol and space out your doses, less injections the better IMO for a beginner. The dosages look fine but I'm a little curious at why your running arimidex and nolva through the whole cycle. There are alot of studies and cycle logs that state running PCT products can significantly hinder your gains. Estrogen is anabolic and is not bad it just needs to be in check thats all.

["Maximus"]

Since this is your first, ever cycle -right?-, stick with the test only:
weeks 1-12 Test E @ 500mg/week

Safe to jump start it w/Prop:
weeks 1-4 Test Prop @ 50mg-75mg ED (for stable levels) -need to pin till 4th week, when you might start feeling the Test E kicking in.


Forget the Dbol, it's your first cycle; keep it simple. Use the Dbol for second cycle. Nolva on cycle is not needed, are you gyno prone? If not, you really don't need it; leave it for PCT.

PCT:
Weeks 15-20 20mg/25mg Nolva and Clomid.

[Reed]

Since this is your first, ever cycle -right?-, stick with the test only:
weeks 1-12 Test E @ 500mg/week

Safe to jump start it w/Prop:
weeks 1-4 Test Prop @ 100mg ED (for stable levels) -need to pin till 4th week, when you might start feeling the Test E kicking in.


Forget the Dbol, it's your first cycle; keep it simple. Use the Dbol for second cycle. Nolva on cycle is not needed, are you gyno prone? If not, you really don't need it; leave it for PCT.

PCT:
Weeks 15-20 20mg/25mg Nolva and Clomid.

I guess if have different opinion and I understand the reasoning behind using test prop but I just thought for a first timer ed injections could be more of a risk with things that could go wrong.


We need to get his stats BTW

[Reed]

If you don't mind the ed injections go with Prop, Maximus is right its best to keep it simple

["Maximus"]

I guess if have different opinion and I understand the reasoning behind using test prop but I just thought for a first timer ed injections could be more of a risk with things that could go wrong.


We need to get his stats BTW

^^^^^100% agree w/you bro!

I just wanted to point out to stick w/test only cycle. Assuming that he's not afraid of pinning ED, to use the prop to kick start the cycle.

Thx bro, I have no problems at all w/your good suggestion!

[Reed]

^^^^^100% agree w/you bro!

I just wanted to point out to stick w/test only cycle. Assuming that he's not afraid of pinning ED, to use the prop to kick start the cycle.

Thx bro, I have no problems at all w/your good suggestion!

Nor do I with yours. You thoughts on the matter were probably more sound. Learning how your body reacts to main stay of all future cycles is probably the best way to build upon

[jg42058p]

im 6ft, 240lbs, 15% body fat, 23 years old... slightly proned to gyno so I was thinking of using nolvadex and armidex throughout the entire cycle... my pecs have a little bit of fatty tissue that could get bigger if i wasn't careful...

i really wanna make this a simple cycle since ive never done a test cycle before... im considering test prop so i can see how i react to the elevated test levels before the enanthate kicks in....

looking to gain about 15lbs of lean tissue. hopefully this could help me out with that.

but i might just get the gear and save it for a year or so after i really harden out naturally. i do have room to grow naturally so i might save this cycle on the shelf for a while before going on with the test

[*ANABOLIC SUPERMAN*]

im 6ft, 240lbs, 15% body fat, 23 years old... slightly proned to gyno so I was thinking of using nolvadex and armidex throughout the entire cycle... my pecs have a little bit of fatty tissue that could get bigger if i wasn't careful...

i really wanna make this a simple cycle since ive never done a test cycle before... im considering test prop so i can see how i react to the elevated test levels before the enanthate kicks in....

looking to gain about 15lbs of lean tissue. hopefully this could help me out with that.

but i might just get the gear and save it for a year or so after i really harden out naturally. i do have room to grow naturally so i might save this cycle on the shelf for a while before going on with the test

If you get the gear now i dont think you will be able to save it for a year. Maybe if you order of some sources i have heard about if you order now you might receive it in a year.lol So maybe give that a try.

[jstraw428]

nolvadex will decrease the blood serum levels of arimidex......If you wanted to run an AI, thens tick with arimidex at .25 ed to eod....save the nolvadex for PCT with aromasin and clomid......

No reason to ru both a serm and ai during your cycle....