test prop pain increased with use??

[binder]

Has anyone else had progressively more pain with further use of Test propionate?

People can have quite a bit of pain with it, but i've never really had much pain. I usually get sore a day or 2 after but nothing that bad. I've switched to prop for the last 4 weeks and it seems each time I do another injection the pain gets more severe. It started out as a dull ache and i figured when i got used to the prop ester it would go away but it's gotten worse and worse. Now it's to the point where it's almost disabling me 2 days post injection and it lasts for a good 2-3 days.

I'm still using the same batch of stuff:

100mg/mL
5% guaiacol
2% BA
15% BS
grapeseed oil

I haven't switched recipe's either. Same one i've been using always.


I don't have injection pain, it usually comes on a day or 2 after. Maybe i've developed an allergy to one of the chemicals?

has anyone else had this happen? where they become what i think is more sensitive to something and it causes them more pain every time you use it?

[romo6]

Interesting for me it stays about the same thru cycle.Never gets worse.Im sure your rotating sites.If you had some scar tissue it would not disperse and make it worse.Good luck.

[helium3]

Has anyone else had progressively more pain with further use of Test propionate?

People can have quite a bit of pain with it, but i've never really had much pain. I usually get sore a day or 2 after but nothing that bad. I've switched to prop for the last 4 weeks and it seems each time I do another injection the pain gets more severe. It started out as a dull ache and i figured when i got used to the prop ester it would go away but it's gotten worse and worse. Now it's to the point where it's almost disabling me 2 days post injection and it lasts for a good 2-3 days.

I'm still using the same batch of stuff:

100mg/mL
5% guaiacol
2% BA
15% BS
grapeseed oil

I haven't switched recipe's either. Same one i've been using always.


I don't have injection pain, it usually comes on a day or 2 after. Maybe i've developed an allergy to one of the chemicals?

has anyone else had this happen? where they become what i think is more sensitive to something and it causes them more pain every time you use it?

i once read up on a type of prop i once used, and it said that permanent damage can be caused by injecting in the same place too frequently, although i think it was more cosmetic than anything.

maybe just a build up of the esters effects are giving you some jip.

[binder]

i once read up on a type of prop i once used, and it said that permanent damage can be caused by injecting in the same place too frequently, although i think it was more cosmetic than anything.

maybe just a build up of the esters effects are giving you some jip.

i'm definitely rotating. I'm not new to this business but new to prop. I have 10 sites i'm using so they aren't getting hit day after day.

Also if it was scar tissue it would be more pain injecting because the scar tissue would be pulled apart when the oil is pushed into the muscle. i have zero injection pain. It happens later like my body reacts against it or something. I'm not real sure. I've narrowed it to the prop because i took the tren out of one injection and the pain still remained.

[helium3]

i'm definitely rotating. I'm not new to this business but new to prop. I have 10 sites i'm using so they aren't getting hit day after day.

Also if it was scar tissue it would be more pain injecting because the scar tissue would be pulled apart when the oil is pushed into the muscle. i have zero injection pain. It happens later like my body reacts against it or something. I'm not real sure. I've narrowed it to the prop because i took the tren out of one injection and the pain still remained.

yeah i mean your body could easily be reacting to the type of oil used in the ester, which is maybe why its a delayed response. similar in a way to people getting sus flu.

i took testoviron a while back and after each injection i had flu symtoms for a day or two.

[binder]

hmm....interesting theory but why would it not effect me 4 weeks ago and then start to now?

also, it's the same oil I use in my tren A so that kind of rules out the GSO being the culprit. keep coming at me.....i need to figure this one out!

[Phate]

hmm....interesting theory but why would it not effect me 4 weeks ago and then start to now?

also, it's the same oil I use in my tren A so that kind of rules out the GSO being the culprit. keep coming at me.....i need to figure this one out!

try cutting it with .5mL of b12 and see what happens, i would also order another vial/amps/sachet whatever of test prop from another source and see how that affects you, then we can narrow it down by elimination

[binder]

try cutting it with .5mL of b12 and see what happens, i would also order another vial/amps/sachet whatever of test prop from another source and see how that affects you, then we can narrow it down by elimination

isn't b12 aqueous therefore wouldn't mix with the oil base? I cut it down further with sterile oil to see if that changes anything. Only problem is with the injection being 2mL i had to shoot it in a glute, and my glutes never get sore to begin with. Just the bi's, delts, and quads.

I have plenty of hormone so I don't really want to buy UGL gear to check it against. I think it's more of a risk to order premade than powder. I just don't trust it unless i know the technique used to make it and that it's sterile. Good idea though.

[Phate]

isn't b12 aqueous therefore wouldn't mix with the oil base? I cut it down further with sterile oil to see if that changes anything. Only problem is with the injection being 2mL i had to shoot it in a glute, and my glutes never get sore to begin with. Just the bi's, delts, and quads.

you're correct that it's not soluable, though you can still inject the two at the same time, cutting down further with sterile oil was a good idea and the fact that you basically said that it only hurts smaller muscle groups or ones with more dense concentration of nerves leads me to believe it's something in the gear that stimulating nerves, or possibly making them more sensitive

I have plenty of hormone so I don't really want to buy UGL gear to check it against. I think it's more of a risk to order premade than powder. I just don't trust it unless i know the technique used to make it and that it's sterile. Good idea though.

if you make your own gear then next time, or now if you can, i would make a couple different batches of hormone with different recipies and see which you react better to

[binder]

if you make your own gear then next time, or now if you can, i would make a couple different batches of hormone with different recipies and see which you react better to

ya, i was going to try using a different solvent and see if that changes anything.

[Phate]

ya, i was going to try using a different solvent and see if that changes anything.

sorry i can't be of more help bro, kinda hard for me to figure this out cause i don't cycle so i don't know the symptoms and such first-hand, all i can do is throw out logic based on the chemistry i know

hope things turn out well

[Amorphic]

i dont get more pain as i progress, it stays about the same. usually im sore for around 3 days per injection site, usually pretty painful.

[binder]

sorry i can't be of more help bro, kinda hard for me to figure this out cause i don't cycle so i don't know the symptoms and such first-hand, all i can do is throw out logic based on the chemistry i know

hope things turn out well

thanks, i appreciate the helping responses.

i dont get more pain as i progress, it stays about the same. usually im sore for around 3 days per injection site, usually pretty painful.

This makes me feel a little better....Most others i've heard a day or so, but this is crazy and it didn't used to get like this. Does yours ever get flush? I don't know if it's because my skin is sensitive but i get a little flush pink in the area for a while. It doesn't get all nasty like an infection so i figured it was a histamine response in the skin.

And it's just weird that it was ok at first and progressively got worse. I assumed it got better when your body got used to it.

[Phate]

thanks, i appreciate the helping responses.



This makes me feel a little better....Most others i've heard a day or so, but this is crazy and it didn't used to get like this. Does yours ever get flush? I don't know if it's because my skin is sensitive but i get a little flush pink in the area for a while. It doesn't get all nasty like an infection so i figured it was a histamine response in the skin.

And it's just weird that it was ok at first and progressively got worse. I assumed it got better when your body got used to it.

this is a little out there, but what about if the BA was causing the nerves to become more sensitive gradually due to stimulation

[binder]

this is a little out there, but what about if the BA was causing the nerves to become more sensitive gradually due to stimulation

could be a possibility. 189 suggested dropping the BS down. I'm using 15% so it is more likely that being an irritant than only a 2% BA.

I think it boils down to my body has become sensitive to one of the chemicals. I'm gonna have to make multiple batches and find out which one it hates.

[Phate]

could be a possibility. 189 suggested dropping the BS down. I'm using 15% so it is more likely that being an irritant than only a 2% BA.

I think it boils down to my body has become sensitive to one of the chemicals. I'm gonna have to make multiple batches and find out which one it hates.

i agree, i would drop the BS down a bit and try it again, just comes down to experimenting and seeing what you like

[skycowboy]

My experience with prop is that there is painful prop and non-painful prop. I much prefer the non-painful kind. The painful prop can be crippling.

[SmittyTheOX]

So each site is getting hit once in 10 days?

Im a big fan of prop, and am actually on it atm.

Ive found through my own use that sometimes sites just need to be avoided for a certain amount of time. My glutes used to be my favorite site but after I had a bad injection there once (caused some swelling etc) everytime I shot there again in would be ridiculously painful. I tried keeping off the site for 2-3 weeks and that didnt even help. I ended up getting some deep tissue therapy on the site (which hurt like you wouldnt believe) and since then its been as good as new again.

[SmittyTheOX]

If you cant afford or dont have time for some deep tissue therapy, you can do a bit yourself if youve got the pain threshold for it.

Get a hard ball (like a cricket ball) and sit on it, moving back and forward over the painful area 10x then have a break and repeat till the pain is subsiding. Assuming thats your glutes thats the problem, a similar action on other body parts should work too.

[MercyDog]

I go 3% without problems, and use the same sites. Pain gets less for me with more frequency. 2% is low, is it possible it could be crashing, maybe binding?

[binder]

good advice. ya, about every 10 days. right now the quads are out of it because in injured my right quad so i just took both out of that equation.

glutes work great for me. I barely feel a glute injection. A slight ache for maybe a day and that's it. Barely noticeable. Everywhere else is death to the muscle.

by deep tissue therapy are you talking about deep muscle massage or an ultrasound therapy?

[binder]

I go 3% without problems, and use the same sites. Pain gets less for me with more frequency. 2% is low, is it possible it could be crashing, maybe binding?

for the BA? BA isn't the solvent. Guaiacol is the solvent and it's a very powerful solvent. 5% guaiacol can get test prop to hold at 400mg/mL so my 100mg/mL isn't that big of a deal.

If anything more BA would irritate the injection site more therefore causing more pain. 1% is all that's needed to prevent bacterial growth so 2% is more than enough. I'm going to make a batch without the BS, then another with a different solvent like BB instead of guaiacol to see if maybe that is the problem. i'm hoping it's the BS causing the problem because it's not really needed. It's only in the equation because it's is a slight pain reliever which is apparently not doing the job.

thanks for the input though. all suggestions are welcome so i can figure this out.

[MercyDog]

there was some saying to cut with b-12, and refering to BA in the above posts thats why I was saying 3% isn't a prob here with pain. Was at first but got better as time went on and not worse. By crashing I wasn't referring to bacteria. You'll have to forgive me a bit I haven't ran out from 3 years ago so I'm a bit rusty in the lab. I'd have to go back through my notes but I don't think I used guaiacol that I can remember, may have been a substitute for it or something.

[MercyDog]

Got the old notebook out. Last was 3% benzyl alcohol, 15% benzyl benzoate, and cottonseed. Your way may be better, just saying what worked well for me. Also this was at 100/ml. Don't know what whatman I used for the oil but I'm thinking .45 if that sounds right.

[SmittyTheOX]

good advice. ya, about every 10 days. right now the quads are out of it because in injured my right quad so i just took both out of that equation.

glutes work great for me. I barely feel a glute injection. A slight ache for maybe a day and that's it. Barely noticeable. Everywhere else is death to the muscle.

by deep tissue therapy are you talking about deep muscle massage or an ultrasound therapy?

Yeah deep tissue massage. Make sure you go to a bloke, with strong hands. Alsop make the appointment in the am when they are most rested.

[binder]

Got the old notebook out. Last was 3% benzyl alcohol, 15% benzyl benzoate, and cottonseed. Your way may be better, just saying what worked well for me. Also this was at 100/ml. Don't know what whatman I used for the oil but I'm thinking .45 if that sounds right.

ya, BB is a common solvent around here. I chose not to use it, but i might try it on a small batch and see if it works better for me.

Yeah deep tissue massage. Make sure you go to a bloke, with strong hands. Alsop make the appointment in the am when they are most rested.

My dad rents out office space to a few of them here. One of the ladies is really good so i'll have her give me a rub down.

[binder]

the flush look is from a local histamine response. I had one of the other doctor's take a look at it yesterday.