A couple cycle concerns

[sonysucks]

Firstly the problem of joint pain on winny. I feel I may be prone to this as my shoulders and hands ache'd (sp?) on my last cycle. To alleviate the pain from 50 mg/day of winny ,I have read you can

1)take less winny...

2) take some deca..seems likethe most common recomendation-but I dont have any.

3) Msm glucosamine supplements. I have bottles of these.Can anyone who used this method suggest a dosage. Thanks ,because this is the one I am betting on.

Next is the time period during which I will be subjecting my liver to the orals in my cycle. Especially the 9 weeks of the dbol and winny back to back! My thoughts are.

1) Cut the winny right out. (see concern#1)

2)shorten the winny cycle (might as well cut it right out then)

3)leave 2 weeks between the dbol and the start of the winny.(those are the two most toxic of the three orals I am taking)

4)Milk thistle. 3 tbsp a day. (I have heard of a liver cleanse but dont know how its performed)

I am doing my 2nd cycle and had great results last time from my cycle of
a50 for 4 weeks
sust 250 @ 2cc per week for 12 weeks
I have been working out naturally since 04 and did this first cycle winter of 07. I am 5'9" and weight 175 with about 12%BF
Diet is much improved as I spent considerably more time reading the diet sections this year.

This years cycle is
weeks
1-4 dbol at 40mg/day with adex .25 eod
4-9 winny at 50mg/day
9-14 anavar at 60mg/day with prov at 25mg ed
2-14 sust at 500mg/week
pct with nolv and clomid and prov 2 weeks after the final shot.

I have been timid in posting asking for help due to the flaming and useless replies that seem to be rampant here. But I do respect and acknowledge that even in the midst of those posts there are many here who are truly awesome in both their knowledge and their helpfullness.
Thanks.
Cheers

[vishus]

bro, thats a lot of orals to be taking at once, you sure you want to be doing that?

[oneshot]

running orals for that long is gonna put a lot of stress on your liver but that's your call. for me, glucosomine chondroiton works wonders after 4 knee surgeries. try 1500 mg per day of glucosomine, and 1200 mg chondrioton. after a month or so, you can back off on the dose a bit.

[Mulciber]

why are you starting the sust week 2.. id start it from the getgo

i perfer to leave a gap between the 17aa's.

i use tylers liver detox or liv52,r-ala,milk thistle and NAC

[sonysucks]

I started the dbol a week early tol leave the chance to get a 2 week gap tween the dbol and the winny if needed. Is two weeks the length of gap needed?

[fattymcbutterpants]

theres something called adequin i think, it is used mainly on horses to keep them from getting joint problems but it can be taken by humans and its suppossed to be super effective. I know of 3 vets that wrote themselves prescriptions for it so they can take it themselves and they were all older and they get around a ton better now. Just thought you might wanna consider looking into that

[Mulciber]

id run something like..

sust 1-12
dbol 1-4/5
winny 10-15

[Mulciber]

theres something called adequin i think, it is used mainly on horses to keep them from getting joint problems but it can be taken by humans and its suppossed to be super effective. I know of 3 vets that wrote themselves prescriptions for it so they can take it themselves and they were all older and they get around a ton better now. Just thought you might wanna consider looking into that

yes.. its adequan.. its the shit if you can get it..
know about 3 years ago there was a "human" *(using the term loosely)* version going around mex

[WARMachine]

Dude just cut out the winny... no point running to 17AA's if you already have Anavar. On top of that, you have problems with joints.

btw, Sus should be pinned ED for least amount of sides.

Run the cycle like this...
Weeks 1-4 Dbol @40mgs ED
Weeks 1-14 Sust @75mgs ED
Weeks 9-16 Anavar @50mgs ED

This way you begin your PCT right after your last day of Var.

[sonysucks]

pullin the winny does fix both my concerns ,But I was looking forward to trying it as it get good reports here. I will keep it for the next cycle ,a simple test E and winny cycle.

[sonysucks]

Okay so now I am looking at my anavar supply and I have a good question,one which searching has not revealed an answer to.
I have 2500mg so I am left with this decision. What is better ,a lower dose over a longer time period or the opposite, a higher dose over a shorter period.
My math is showing either 7 weeks at 50mg/day or 9 weeks at 40mg/day.
What are your thoughts.
Thanks.
Ps my guess is the 7 weeks at 50 is the better choice cause 40mg/day is a touch low...hows my thinking?