Cutting Cycle for Mixed Martial Arts

[Meshuggah09]

I am going to start training MMA (not in competition) just as a hobby and I want to take a cutting cycle since I am going to be doing so much cardio. I was thinking of taking Winstrol depot, Primo and EQ. Im just not sure how much and how many times a day. Should I add some test to that? How much HCG and Clomid should I take at the end of the cycle? I am pretty good about my diet when i am working out but what does everyone recommend for calorie intake a day? Any suggestions about this or changes would be helpful

[WARMachine]

First off, Welcome to the Board brother.

There are a few other MMArtists here, myself and one other being professionals. So take some time and take a look at our fighting section where we discuss MMA if you like.

Now in order to gauge a more accruate response to your proposed cycle, were gonna need some stats from you.

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

Quickly though, That proposed cycle, needs to have Test run with it.

Secondly, thats too many compounds for someone with no cycle experience.

HCG is a nice addition to any PCT, though it is not really needed.

And Clomid is only half of a PCT you would need for a beginner cycle PCT.

Nolvadex is the conerstone of any PCT, i suggest reading up on it.

[JiGGaMaN]

We will turn you into Kimbo or better, guaranteed.

[Amorphic]

First off, Welcome to the Board brother.

There are a few other MMArtists here, myself and one other being professionals. So take some time and take a look at our fighting section where we discuss MMA if you like.

Now in order to gauge a more accruate response to your proposed cycle, were gonna need some stats from you.

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

Quickly though, That proposed cycle, needs to have Test run with it.

Secondly, thats too many compounds for someone with no cycle experience.

HCG is a nice addition to any PCT, though it is not really needed.

And Clomid is only half of a PCT you would need for a beginner cycle PCT.

Nolvadex is the conerstone of any PCT, i suggest reading up on it.

agreed. good post, you're saving me some typing today

[jamyjamjr]

We will turn you into Kimbo or better, guaranteed.

Ha!! kimo got his butt kicked.. that foo ant no mma fighter.. he just takes nice big swings at people and hopes for the best.. i was waiting for his ass to get taken out

[jamyjamjr]

anyways, i agree with war, let us know whats up (i fight mma too), we'd love to help ya, but you gotta help us first

[michael tyson]

WAR does nolv really take away from your gains that much???what are your feelings on frontloading and tappering off at the end? any experience?

[Amorphic]

WAR does nolv really take away from your gains that much???what are your feelings on frontloading and tappering off at the end? any experience?

nolva can hinder your gains if you use it when you dont need it. frontloading is fine, tapering off at the end is not required. just make sure your pct is good to go.

[warchild]

nolva can hinder your gains if you use it when you dont need it. frontloading is fine, tapering off at the end is not required. just make sure your pct is good to go.

some here might want to argue that one amorphic, but I agree with you

[michael tyson]

nolva can hinder your gains if you use it when you dont need it. frontloading is fine, tapering off at the end is not required. just make sure your pct is good to go.

ok, so how do you know you're using it when you dont need it ?

[Amorphic]

ok, so how do you know you're using it when you dont need it ?

imo you only need nolva or an AI if you start getting symptoms of gyno or excess estrogen (lots of bloating, itchy nips, gyno)

[Amorphic]

some here might want to argue that one amorphic, but I agree with you

yeah it can be debated but i really dont see the need or why anyone would want to taper down.

[warchild]

yes i agree but a mod here wanted to make a big deal about it earlier to me and another member.

[WARMachine]

imo you only need nolva or an AI if you start getting symptoms of gyno or excess estrogen (lots of bloating, itchy nips, gyno)

100% agree... ^^^


btw KChrist, i NEVER take Nolva on cycle... It just seems pointless to me, AI's are just plain better. And if gyno has already arrived, get Letro!

Easy for me...

[Panzerfaust]

Wow...how about someone mention what this guy really needs, a DIET!

Why don't you show us you know ow to eat properly then we can assist you with a good solid cycle, without solid diet and training, your "cycle" will be complete shit. AAS isn't some miraculous wonder drug, there is much more to it than that.

Post your diet, lets see that

[*Alex*]

This guy needs to diet.............

[MercyDog]

have to agree, diet and exercise leans you out, def not aas

[JiGGaMaN]

Wow...how about someone mention what this guy really needs, a DIET!

Why don't you show us you know ow to eat properly then we can assist you with a good solid cycle, without solid diet and training, your "cycle" will be complete shit. AAS isn't some miraculous wonder drug, there is much more to it than that.

Post your diet, lets see that

how you came up with this response without knowing anything about the guy other than his initial post where he mentioned nothing about his stats is beyond me...

edit: also, how are you even a vet here if you respond like this to someones first post?

[skinnykenney]

Ha!! kimo got his butt kicked.. that foo ant no mma fighter.. he just takes nice big swings at people and hopes for the best.. i was waiting for his ass to get taken out

no way was he going to beat a really good MMA fighter unless he gets lucky with a wild one.
and yes I know he won 1 fight by choking the guy out but he was a sissy

[skinnykenney]

how you came up with this response without knowing anything about the guy other than his initial post where he mentioned nothing about his stats is beyond me...

edit: also, how are you even a vet here if you respond like this to someones first post?

Because it's the truth

[DEVLDOG]

Diet + cardio = cutting

gear is gear,anything will help you stay out of a catobolic state which is all you really need when "cutting"

winny and primo arent cheap and are weak in comparison to alot of drugs,all you need is some test, 500mg a week and a good clean diet and you will harden right up with proper training,forget about "this drug does this,this drug does that" your diet dictates if you bulk or cut.

[krocku81]

I am also looking to hit the mat again. I injured my shoulder pretty bad about 1.5 years ago and couldnt work out for about a year without it hurting pretty bad. Anyways i need to cut some weight and get back into fighting shape. Im 27, 5'11 and about 215lbs, about 18%bf. I have been lifting since i was about 17 and have done three cycles. Before i hurt myself, i was about 220lbs and about 8-9% bf. I want to get down to about 185-190lbs and less than 10%bf by april. I dont eat red meat or pork, but eat tons of chicken and fish. Whats a good basic cutting cycle? Thanks!

[krocku81]

Bump....