To all the so called "experts" / armchair Doctors, Pharmacists, Scientists

[dieseldave]

I have been reading threads on this site on and off for about 6 years and the amount of conflicting information given is troublesome. So many self proclaimed roid gurus thinking they have all the answers. I have to wonder, what kind of education do you have? Did you even study biology or science in college? I think it should be required that when you give your "expert" and conclusive advice, you post a photo of your body or at least your honest stats so I can decide if I even want to listen to you! /End Rant

[PT]

we state opinions and thats it. nobody claims to be a dr(except for the few who are) we just give advice from personal experiance. you are not required to listen or except the advice

[Big]

I have been reading threads on this site on and off for about 6 years and the amount of conflicting information given is troublesome. So many self proclaimed roid gurus thinking they have all the answers. I have to wonder, what kind of education do you have? Did you even study biology or science in college? I think it should be required that when you give your "expert" and conclusive advice, you post a photo of your body or at least your honest stats so I can decide if I even want to listen to you! /End Rant

I wonder how long you will be here before you figure out that things like this go in the lounge. I'll move this, feel free to look at my pics, they are in my album. If you don't mind, post some of yourself also. I doubt I'll be the only one to take offense to the way you phrased your rant, so this should get interesting.

[redz]

Yeah I`m not hiding myself either. We are trying to help each other with information, thats all were doing. Alot of it may be from reading and research but also we compare each others results and experiences.

[Jenseno9]

You sir are WRONG. Sure there is incorrect information on this board. Use your brain and more than one source of information, and you can find the CORRECT or atleast most correct answer.

Thank you

[Matt]

I understand where your comming from. However, if you were to ask me for advice then why should i have to prove what i look like? Second i believe im right in saying Phate has never done a cycle, yet his advice is always sound. What im trying to say is you dont have to be a huge muscle bound guy to know what your talking about. Last but not least, i have never seen bad advice given without it being corrected, the advice given here imo is awesome, always with the op's health first.

[jimmyinkedup]

Hmm well i dont wanna refer to myself as an expert. I also dont feel the need to justify any advice i give to anyone...its advice take it or leave it. 15 years af aas use give you some pretty good knowledge IMO. I wont even get into other areas of knowledge that come in handy...its really none of your business. Listen to what and whom you'd like..let the rest go...pretty simple IMO...

[dieseldave]

I guess I should clarify this. I think it great when one bro helps out another with a question. I take all advice here with a grain of salt. I just see a trend of guys here that think they are always right and they are experts. If you have had great success with your cycles and training, I want your advice. If you are out of shape, half retarded, or have been using AAS for only a couple of years, please don't act like you know it all!

[jimmyinkedup]

i hear you ...but i try to read alot of patrick arnolds work ..and he sure isnt jacked....but he def knows his sh*t. I TRY to consider the message ...not judge the messenger..it can be hard at times....but I learn alot more by doing it.

[Swifto]

I have been reading threads on this site on and off for about 6 years and the amount of conflicting information given is troublesome. So many self proclaimed roid gurus thinking they have all the answers. I have to wonder, what kind of education do you have? Did you even study biology or science in college? I think it should be required that when you give your "expert" and conclusive advice, you post a photo of your body or at least your honest stats so I can decide if I even want to listen to you! /End Rant

Perhaps, if you did your own research, you wouldnt have this problem.

Or this thread...

[Matt]

I guess I should clarify this. I think it great when one bro helps out another with a question. I take all advice here with a grain of salt. I just see a trend of guys here that think they are always right and they are experts. If you have had great success with your cycles and training, I want your advice. If you are out of shape, half retarded, or have been using AAS for only a couple of years, please don't act like you know it all!

Your an idiot...

[UrRoyalHighness]

What a joke. Good idea dave

[dieseldave]

Your an idiot...

I think you mean "you're", idiot.

[UrRoyalHighness]

I have a funny feeling Dave is going to be changing his name here very shortly

[dieseldave]

I have a funny feeling Dave is going to be changing his name here very shortly

Why? I'm not trying to insult anyone. I feel poor advice can be dangerous.

[UrRoyalHighness]

What ever you say man

[Matt]

I think you need to look at your post before pulling me dude.

I think it great???? Did you mean, I think its great??

[Mulciber]

there is always going to be conflicting information. have to take it all in. dont get your information from one source, need to gather as much information as possible on a given topic as possible and go from there. its good to get several points of view.thats what the boards are for. sharing of information.
it dont take long to know who is talking out their ass and who has put in the time researching, learning all they can as well as real world experience.

[dieseldave]

I think you need to look at your post before pulling me dude.

I think it great???? Did you mean, I think its great??

You called me an idiot with improper grammar. It was ironic. Let us move along now. Everybody flame ol' Dave for calling it like he sees it.

[redz]

If you are out of shape, half retarded, or have been using AAS for only a couple of years, please don't act like you know it all!

Many people come on this site claiming to have done steroids for many years and have no idea what they are doing. Places like this are the ultimate source for good information on steroids. You dont have to be here if you dont want but we are here to help.

[dieseldave]

there is always going to be conflicting information. have to take it all in. dont get your information from one source, need to gather as much information as possible on a given topic as possible and go from there. its good to get several points of view.thats what the boards are for. sharing of information.
it dont take long to know who is talking out their ass and who has put in the time researching, learning all they can as well as real world experience.

^ Smart man.

[UrRoyalHighness]

here here.. sorry dave if thats not the proper way of spelling it

[D7M]

This is gonna go downhill fast.

Dave, I don't see what you hope to accomplish from this thread. Mulciber said it right. That's just common sense, dude.

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ this started at the bottom of the hill in some ways ..at any rate we are all entitled to an opinion.

[dieseldave]

I actually hope this thread gets locked because I'm starting to think that everybody is going to take this the wrong way. I should have made the title of this thread, "If you don't know what you are doing, don't give others advice that you claim is factual". Oh well. Flame on bros.

[Matt]

I actaully hope this thread gets locked because I'm starting to think that everybody is going to take this the wrong way. I should have made the title of this thread, "If you don't know what you are doing, don't give others advice that you claim is factual". Oh well. Flame on bros.

That would have been a better idea lol...

[redz]

I personally have always received very sound advice on here. It's an excellent resource and truely provides the most in depth knowledge of steroids available. It is also very hard for some people to tell their doctors of problems or issues so it is benificial to post here. I cant remember how many times I've told people to go to the hospital when they describe symptoms of an infection and that's just one example.

[dieseldave]

I personally have always received very sound advice on here. It's an excellent resource and truely provides the most in depth knowledge of steroids available. It is also very hard for some people to tell their doctors of problems or issues so it is benificial to post here. I cant remember how many times I've told people to go to the hospital when they describe symptoms of an infection and that's just one example.

I have used this site for a resource over the years and I am thankful for it. There is a ton of great information and advice. When I see some so called "expert" telling people or myself that I should never take Nolvadex on cycle because it will ruin my gains, it pisses me off. The mods are gonna say "You should have done your own research". Well I did.. and there is a ton of conflicting info out there. So when I come here to help clarify it and I get bad advice that leads to gyno, I will be bitter. That is my story.

[redz]

I think Nolva isnt the best choice on cycle but if gyno is a concern then its better to take it I guess. I think ai's are better on cycle but if there was no other choice nolva likely wouldnt ruin a cycle though there is some evidence to sugest running it along side a 19nor steroid can actually cause more problems.

[MuscleScience]

Why? I'm not trying to insult anyone. I feel poor advice can be dangerous.

I agree

[dieseldave]

I think Nolva isnt the best choice on cycle but if gyno is a concern then its better to take it I guess. I think ai's are better on cycle but if there was no other choice nolva likely wouldnt ruin a cycle though there is some evidence to sugest running it along side a 19nor steroid can actually cause more problems.

People say if you are gyno prone to run Nolva during your cycle. Other people say only take it when you feel a problem arising. Other people say don't take it at all and just use arimidex. WHICH IS IT? FACK!

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ hmm that may have been a better thread to start...you prob would have gotten some opinions..that conflicted..and youd have to decide for yourself...just like every other thread.....

[Swifto]

I think you mean "you're", idiot.

Your an idiot...

You both know the rules...

[dieseldave]

^^^ hmm that may have been a better thread to start...

lol.. yeah seriously. I want to meet the guys that insisted one should NEVER take Nolva during a cycle and throw the gyno gland my doctor removed in their protien shake.

[Swifto]

People say if you are gyno prone to run Nolva during your cycle. Other people say only take it when you feel a problem arising. Other people say don't take it at all and just use arimidex. WHICH IS IT? FACK!

You will get differentiation of opinion(s) becuase of users different experiences. Not everything works for one person, that, I thought, was obvious...

Here's my adivce...

If your gyno prone, run an AI and dont take any chances. Control estrogen and control your problem. Estrogen cannot be completely controlled by blocking it.

[jimmyinkedup]

The thing is ..this stuff isnt etched in stone ...there is some science to back some things up ...then there is personal experience...sometimes they line up with one another someitimes they dont. Then throw in that we are all different in our reactions/responses to exogenous hormones entering our bodies. Hard to give a difinitabe answer as to what will def happen to you personally. If u are gyno prone ..id def use something from jump. Ive used nolva on cycle (and with 19 nors btw) with no issues what so ever ....ive used adex as well ...and do now...(hell my first 2 cycles i used clomid eod for christs sake!) Ive always erred on the side of casution when it comes to estrogen ..always made good gains (diet/train /rest in order) some compounds and stacks better than others. Has it cost me a few lbs of muscle?? maybe ..if so ,so be it...i have never had any signs of gyno (maybe im not prone at all who knows) and that fact alone along with good gains made me say why risk it? A personal chjoice much like the one you have to make.

[dieseldave]

You will get differentiation of opinion(s) becuase of users different experiences. Not everything works for one person, that, I thought, was obvious...

Here's my adivce...

If your gyno prone, run an AI and dont take any chances. Control estrogen and control your problem. Estrogen cannot be completely controlled by blocking it.

PIC and STATS or SHUT UP. I'm kidding. Thank you for the advice.

[Ernst]

I would not recommend it as a first choice, but if you need some then godspeed nolva!

And yes, since you asked, I am a Biology major (honors, baby!) with cycle experience... There's still no way I'd call myself an "expert".

[dieseldave]

The thing is ..this stuff isnt etched in stone ...there is some science to back some things up ...then there is personal experience...sometimes they line up with one another someitimes they dont. Then throw in that we are all different in our reactions/responses to exogenous hormones entering our bodies. Hard to give a difinitabe answer as to what will def happen to you personally. If u are gyno prone ..id def use something from jump. Ive used nolva on cycle (and with 19 nors btw) with no issues what so ever ....ive used adex as well ...and do now...(hell my first 2 cycles i used clomid eod for christs sake!) Ive always erred on the side of casution when it comes to estrogen ..always made good gains (diet/train /rest in order) some compounds and stacks better than others. Has it cost me a few lbs of muscle?? maybe ..if so ,so be it...i have never had any signs of gyno (maybe im not prone at all who knows) and that fact alone along with good gains made me say why risk it? A personal chjoice much like the one you have to make.

That is what an advice post should look like in my opinion. Thanks you.

[Big]

I don't think I'm the only one here who would like to see pics of the person questioning our qualifications and asking for our pics. Anyone else curious what this guy looks like?