Been taking steroids for 16 years!! Need help

[AnabolicWizard]

I am 36 and I have been training straight since I was 18. I started using steroids when I was 20...at first I was going 3 months on: 3 months off...then it got moved to 6 months on and 3 months off...and eventually it ended up where in the past 5 years or so I have been on steroids all the time except for maybe taking 4 weeks off here and there...by the way 4 week off is really not off because you still have the shit in your blood
Here were the side affects:
SGOT = 71
SGPT = 198
Cholestrol = 234 (but LDL = 192 and HDL = 4!!)
Everything else in my bloodwork was fine and I felt great..I was benching 455 and Jan 2007 I was @ 307lb with 12%bf...not bad
Anyway I came off steroids in July. Did the whole PCT with(Nolvadex, HCG, Clomid). It wasnt that bad for the first 2-3 months...but now 6th month off I am suffering more/ By suffering I mean my Testosteron levels are still low...after all the PCT I am still left with
Total Testosteron = 83
Free Testosteron = 2.34
My Cholestrol has moved down to 138 which is not bad but (LDL = 81: HDL = 14--which is not good). My liver enzymes have moved down to about 43,75 which is much improvement. But the low Test level is KILLING ME! The usual sides of having a low test level. I dont feel like going to the gym and when I do--is garbage. My bench has moved down to 315 for one rep! This is weaker then when I was 19 before using any steroids. Bad recovery time and etc...

Now here is the question
My doctor is willing to give me a prescrption to Test for my low test levels. Like I need a prescription, LOL...I am really trying to resist taking any test until my test levels go back up to at least around 400 naturally before jumping on anything...but after more then 6 months its not happening

Should I start shooting 200-400mg of test once a week? Keep in mind that I was shooting up 1000mg every other day...this has me confused. Your input is appreciated

[Kale]

Well I would say your natty test production is now fvcked. So the best thing for you is TRT which is typically between 100 and 150mg Test a week. 250mg a week is a low dose cycle and too high for TRT. You really need to monitor this with blood work every month for the first six months. I am on 100mg a week and I am just over the top of the range at 53. I also take a-dex twice a week to ensure my estrogen levels are kept relatively low

[drummerofgod87]

Basically, the only thing you can do now is cruise and blast. 1g every other day, you say? That's insane.

[astrix79]

no mean to
but my friend have been on roids for many years to at least 6 years.
can u ever recover or make ur on test production start again and go back to normal???

[bahrianite]

I am 36 and I have been training straight since I was 18. I started using steroids when I was 20...at first I was going 3 months on: 3 months off...then it got moved to 6 months on and 3 months off...and eventually it ended up where in the past 5 years or so I have been on steroids all the time except for maybe taking 4 weeks off here and there...by the way 4 week off is really not off because you still have the shit in your blood
Here were the side affects:
SGOT = 71
SGPT = 198
Cholestrol = 234 (but LDL = 192 and HDL = 4!!)
Everything else in my bloodwork was fine and I felt great..I was benching 455 and Jan 2007 I was @ 307lb with 12%bf...not bad
Anyway I came off steroids in July. Did the whole PCT with(Nolvadex, HCG, Clomid). It wasnt that bad for the first 2-3 months...but now 6th month off I am suffering more/ By suffering I mean my Testosteron levels are still low...after all the PCT I am still left with
Total Testosteron = 83
Free Testosteron = 2.34
My Cholestrol has moved down to 138 which is not bad but (LDL = 81: HDL = 14--which is not good). My liver enzymes have moved down to about 43,75 which is much improvement. But the low Test level is KILLING ME! The usual sides of having a low test level. I dont feel like going to the gym and when I do--is garbage. My bench has moved down to 315 for one rep! This is weaker then when I was 19 before using any steroids. Bad recovery time and etc...

Now here is the question
My doctor is willing to give me a prescrption to Test for my low test levels. Like I need a prescription, LOL...I am really trying to resist taking any test until my test levels go back up to at least around 400 naturally before jumping on anything...but after more then 6 months its not happening

Should I start shooting 200-400mg of test once a week? Keep in mind that I was shooting up 1000mg every other day...this has me confused. Your input is appreciated

damn what ester were you using??or do you mean 100mg eod??yup cruise and blast it is from here on!!

[Drummerboy]

Sounds like you may have permanently changed yourself...

But if i can only suggest something, HCG, HMG, nolva and maybe an AI might help, but im not sure... i cant find the article that goes deeply into the proper use of this for guys in your situation... if i do ill post it.

~DB~

[Nicotine]

the joys of ABUSE.

if you meant 100mg eod - ok..if you TRULY meant 1000mg eod for THAT LONG - there's a good chance that you will not recover..

maybe get your doc to toss you on HCG for a while?

[molecule]

AnabolicWizard Bro i am not a advance user to advice you but I would love to see a pic of yours. Specially the ones when you were young and one of you before you got off the juice. Finally!

[JiGGaMaN]

why do you suspect your levels are going to improve, let alone get to 400? dude, you're done, you arent gonna come back. sorry.

[Kale]

why do you suspect your levels are going to improve, let alone get to 400? dude, you're done, you arent gonna come back. sorry.

Jigga please dont ever become a cancer Doctor

[JiGGaMaN]

Jigga please dont ever become a cancer Doctor

whos to say im not one already?? i do legitimately have my doubts as to where his test will recover to: its very much subjective and he may be wasting the size gained for nothing.

[Dinosaur]

im just woundering what 's your status bro. like weight...etc
trully u were all the way on the pro bbers prescription, were u really doing 1g eod?

[PT]

how long have you been off? if it was less then 2 months then i would get some hcg, nolva and aromasin and run a 6 week pct then see what happens after that. if you get your bloodwork back after the pct and its fine then your good to go, if not then your on test for life

[0tolerance]

sorry no advice, but good luck!

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

let's get realistic.... you're likely screwed, so might as well go on trt; no point trying to recover natty and suffer all the sides if you're not gonna come back to full function - plus, you're losing all your gains blah blah - you'll end up becoming depressed and fat

shoot between 200-400 mg/wk and continue to get bloodwork done every couple of weeks until you figure out that dosage that allows you to reap the benefits of trt while minimizing negative impact to the blood lipid profile and estrogenic side effects. It should start at a dose that doesn't require u to take ai and serms IMHO

also, 5 yrs non stop with shitty hdl... get your heart checked out bro, especially if heart disease is in your family. You wouldn't want to be walking around with clogged arteries and not knowing it. You're 36; my father has a triple heart bypass at 41, and he was into alot of sports... just throwing it out there

cheers

[Someguy123]

i just cant believe that you didnt have a heart attack, with cholesterol that high. my doc is shitting bricks over LDL 6.5 HDL 1.5.

and why are you so concerned about your HDL coming up to 14?? you bad cholesterol is going down. and the good is coming up. with any luck, you will have a proper ratio again in the future.

[alex18]

whatever you decide to run with I wish you luck! Out of interest both for myself and more importantly any younger forum members reading this - if you had your time over would you do it all again?

[powerlifter18]

u have changed my perspctive on what ive been doing when i get back to the states im gona go see my doctor and try to get off

[tbjake34]

Run a lot of HCG, I think you should be able to get your natty test levels back to normal. If not your on TRT for life.

[Elexecution]

u have changed my perspctive on what ive been doing when i get back to the states im gona go see my doctor and try to get off

That's good to hear. I saw a few of your threads and hoped you would realize what you were doing was wrong.

[hankdiesel]

get on hrt ASAP and see your doctor regularly

[turk1968]

i stopped training due to injury when i was 30 after 14 years training and probably 7 years using and the last 5 years never off for any length of time to recover. Shut down is shut down whether you are on 500mg per week or 5000mg per week you are still turned off so to say. In my case i used large dosages ( not quite as much as you but not far off ) and it was about 18 months after ceasing aas until i felt the need to go find a shag!! (I was single at the time.) We cannot for sure tell you if you are done for life ,the body is an amazing thing at times but it may take time.Its either TRT for life or a long rest with regular bloods to see how you are doing. Im 47 and am now on trt at 150mg per week and love it.Best of luck.

[OH REALLY]

I had this problem and the guys at the rejuvenation center helped me they loaded me up with hcg for weeks straight

[drive it!!]

hcg, hcg, hcg, and more hcg. no seriously i think you maybe suprised at how good you can feel and perform on a low dose of test cyp. i use less than 200 a wk (when im off) and i still feel bullet proof my dr. plans to let me do this as long as i want. as long as blood work is acceptable .you may have to stay on a maintence dose until you dont mind feeling twice your age.

[anon03191970]

What exactly has your Dr. said about all of this?

I know you say he will give you a prescription for test and that you want to regain your
natural levels, but has he stated this is not likely to happen under any treatment regimes and that's the reason for the prescription or have you not told him of your desires?

[AnabolicWizard]

First let me thank everyone for your input on this...
Here are some more details.
At this time I have gone down to 260lb at about 14%bf...Thats not that bad--many of my friends were expecting worst. But my strength has shut down far more then my size...plus I have ZERO sex drive
1) I took 1000mg (1g) of Test (different esters). That was not the end of it--I would take all kinds of steroid on top of the Testosteron which I used as a base. At time I would chew 300mg of Anadrol in between my workouts but theose days are long gone...I dont believe that I will shoot up that much again but then again...
2) I have NEVER really had a problem with blood pressure. My blood pressure is usually around 120/70 which is perfect
3) I saw a Dr today. He gave mixed some HCG with VitB and VitC and an IV therapy. My doctor thinks that I should should up 200mg of test each week...but I have been fighting that to let my own hormones to come back up naturally. But shit its not happening, LOL...and I think that some of you are correct by saying that it might never happen. By the way my Dr thinks that I should shoot up test for 3months and then take PCT for all 3 months...but sometimes us BB know better then the Doctors.

Here is what surprised me...the first 2 months off steroids want bad at all/ I would have to say I am more suffering now 6 months since my last inject then ever before.

By the way let me also add...I am NOT depressed. I dont feel like killing myself....thats just so the guys that think steroid are EVIL dont use this in the wrong way. As you would guess I love steroids and I am planning to use them well into my older age. I just have to be bit wiser from now on...

Thank you

[AnabolicWizard]

What exactly has your Dr. said about all of this?

I know you say he will give you a prescription for test and that you want to regain your
natural levels, but has he stated this is not likely to happen under any treatment regimes and that's the reason for the prescription or have you not told him of your desires?

I didnt need a prescription for Test from the Dr. I have EZ access to it + I live in Chula Vista Ca, only 10 min drive to TJ so ...I never told the Dr that I like to shoot up Test. It was his advice because of my low Test level...

ONE IMPORTANT NOTE:
My balls are a good size. Which would have lead me to believe that they are working and hence--producing Test...but thats not the case. So my beliefs that the testicle size will give you an idea on how much Test your balls produce is definetly wrong.

[AnabolicWizard]

let's get realistic.... you're likely screwed, so might as well go on trt; no point trying to recover natty and suffer all the sides if you're not gonna come back to full function - plus, you're losing all your gains blah blah - you'll end up becoming depressed and fat

shoot between 200-400 mg/wk and continue to get bloodwork done every couple of weeks until you figure out that dosage that allows you to reap the benefits of trt while minimizing negative impact to the blood lipid profile and estrogenic side effects. It should start at a dose that doesn't require u to take ai and serms IMHO

also, 5 yrs non stop with shitty hdl... get your heart checked out bro, especially if heart disease is in your family. You wouldn't want to be walking around with clogged arteries and not knowing it. You're 36; my father has a triple heart bypass at 41, and he was into alot of sports... just throwing it out there

cheers

Brother you think like I do, LOL...I am with you on it. But shit I am trying to resist...+ I really believe that this time off and allowing my hormones to kick backup will in the long run help me iin making more gains during future cycles. I am just trying to be wiser now as I am aging and planning to use well into my 60s...
I would have to also add that more important then my test levels. I didnt want to completely shut off my sperm production. That is of concern to me...I have 2 kids already but I might want to spit out a 3rd one in future.

I bought the instrument below and I should have it by the end of this week...check out the link.
It allows you to test your sperm count and quality at home by yourself///

http://www.early-pregnancy-tests.com/spermtest.html

Thank you

[MuscleScience]

It takes up to two years for recovery, so give it some time.

[Axehand]

Knew a bloke who was constantly on steroids for six year's, died of a heart attack at the age of 30.

[chriswhat]

I would give it a shot and try to come off. Do an extended HCG/Clomid or Toremifene PCT. Take it in steps and wean off the HCG before you stop the other compound. It will take you a long time though. You can save up your legal script at the same time. I would try just for health reasons, but that is just me.

[inky-e]

why do you suspect your levels are going to improve, let alone get to 400? dude, you're done, you arent gonna come back. sorry.

Jigga as a Doctor...."Mr. Smith you have terminal cancer".......Mr. Smith asks.."Doc..is there any hope for me?".....Jigga replies..."Nope...you're fukked!"....."Now let me break the news to your HOT wife".....

[bnjf]

I don't know man I'm just having a hard time understanding why one would take that much shit. I'm not critisizing you but with all the common sence info out there uh I don't know like weighing 300 plus pounds muscle or fat would be bad for your colesterol! Also I find it hard to believe your BP was normal, Unless you mean now. I'm no expert as I have only done three cycles (spaced a year apart) and started four years ago. I'm now 35. I think the Smart thing to do is to not take to much but more importantly be satisfied with a certain amount of weight knowing being as big as possible is not a long term reality. I don't know I guess it just takes a certian personality.

[njemarine98]

Yeah bro i justdid my first cycle and i researched for the last 5 years just to get the balls to do that. I have friends who go on cycles for a year long and i try to tell them its not worth it . Have to be patient. FYI!
I did 8 weeks pink dbol, been off a month havent lost anything cept a lil strength. but like thelast guy said compared to alot of dudes here im a novice just throwing my opinion out there. I waish you luck though bro
Stats
HEIGHT 5'11
WEIGHT 263
BODYFAT 13.5%
CHEST 52 1/2
ARMS 19

[Booz]

there is noting anywhere that states you are fvcked and will not recover at all mate...........
you may well have fvcked your own natty test but do not take what most of these here are saying as a given fact!
do a good solid pct and if that dosent work then do it again,
take a nice long break from the gear ''IF'' you can,
you have been ''on'' for a long long time so you will need a while to recover your natty,
otherwise you will just have to jump on a low dose replacement as suggested.
whatever happens keep us updated and best of luck to you.................

[XLCanadian]

Give Jose Canseco a call....I hear he's having the same problems after 27 years on the juice...lol

[Big]

u have changed my perspctive on what ive been doing when i get back to the states im gona go see my doctor and try to get off

after all the times you and I have discussed this, that's good to hear

[Narkissos]

Anabolic Wizard... imma try to send a PM your way.

-CNS

[Swifto]

It is possible to recover.

[UncleD]

yea dont give up yet try all methods first do another pct hcg clomid nolva, then do a good herbal test support, zma eat foods that raise test esp peanutbutter try it all supply and drugs to get u full steam again keep working out do legs and deadlifts they raise test levels go through all options and get blood work and give it another 6 months trying these things and hammer that shit home.. and then if your still fed up after its been over a year then maybe seek other options