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    Clen and losing muscle

    Hi, I have bee nreading up on clen using the handbook listed in this forum. Am thinking of taking some prior to my next cycle.

    Who took it and did you experience muslce loss when taking clen when you lost body fat?

    If so how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronK View Post
    Hi, I have bee nreading up on clen using the handbook listed in this forum. Am thinking of taking some prior to my next cycle.

    Who took it and did you experience muslce loss when taking clen when you lost body fat?

    If so how much?
    if you lose noticeable muscle while on clen then you're diet or training is off

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    nope, not with clen.. but i wouldnt use t3 without being "on"..

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    good Q. i am contemplating a few weeks of clen myself. mammon do you care to elaborate as to why you wouldnt use it w/o t3 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40 View Post
    good Q. i am contemplating a few weeks of clen myself. mammon do you care to elaborate as to why you wouldnt use it w/o t3 ?
    he meant he wouldn't use t3 without being on cycle because t3 burns both fat and muscle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phate View Post
    he meant he wouldn't use t3 without being on cycle because t3 burns both fat and muscle
    thanx phate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronK View Post
    Hi, I have bee nreading up on clen using the handbook listed in this forum. Am thinking of taking some prior to my next cycle.

    Who took it and did you experience muslce loss when taking clen when you lost body fat?

    If so how much?

    Clen is anti-catabolic, so it does the opposite of muscle loss, it keeps the body in a positive nitrogen state for which you can actually make lean muscle gains off from while burning fat

    However, if your diet is off and you aren't feed your body enough calories/protein then not even Clen will be able to full stop your body from metabolizing muscle tissue for energy.
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    sweet.....i'm runnin clen then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier View Post
    Clen is anti-catabolic, so it does the opposite of muscle loss, it keeps the body in a positive nitrogen state for which you can actually make lean muscle gains off from while burning fat
    However, if your diet is off and you aren't feed your body enough calories/protein then not even Clen will be able to full stop your body from metabolizing muscle tissue for energy.

    This has never been proven in humans. In my experience it is only slightly anti-catabolic if any. Not gonna get swole from taking clen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog-Slime View Post
    This has never been proven in humans. In my experience it is only slightly anti-catabolic if any. Not gonna get swole from taking clen.
    The degree to which Clen is anti-catabolic in humans is up for debate since there hasn't been a whole lot of study's on humans, however, (take it as its worth) it has been shown to be anti-catabolic in animals that were put under human type exercise.

    Now I never said your going to get "swole" from Clen, if you read what I wrote you will see that I said you could make "lean gains" from Clen, meaning 2-3 lbs. I didn't say you take Clen you are going to gain 15lbs and be a shredded animal.

    Nonetheless, people do take Clen aftercycle to burn fat and help preserve gains.

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    most of the studies you will see shows clen has some anticatabolic activity in rats taking the equivalent to around 2600-4000 times the doses we use per day..

    but there have been a few studies on humans and beta 2 agonists..
    (metaproterenol, clenbuterol and salbutamol) did show an anabolic effect in select groups of subjects (1) (2) (3).

    (1) Arch Phys Med Rehabil. 1995 Jan;76(1):55-8.

    Increased muscle strength in paralyzed patients after spinal cord injury: effect of beta-2 adrenergic agonist.

    Signorile JF, Banovac K, Gomez M, Flipse D, Caruso JF, Lowensteyn I.

    (2) Clin Sci (Lond). 1993 Jun;84(6):651-4.

    clenbuterol, a beta-adrenoceptor agonist, increases relative muscle strength in orthopaedic patients.

    Maltin CA, Delday MI, Watson JS, Heys SD, Nevison IM, Ritchie IK, Gibson PH.

    (3) Clin Sci (Lond). 1992 Nov;83(5):615-21.

    Salbutamol, a beta 2-adrenoceptor agonist, increases skeletal muscle strength in young men.

    Martineau L, Horan MA, Rothwell NJ, Little RA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronK View Post
    Hi, I have bee nreading up on clen using the handbook listed in this forum. Am thinking of taking some prior to my next cycle.

    Who took it and did you experience muslce loss when taking clen when you lost body fat?

    If so how much?
    i agree with phate... when you cut your goal is to keep as much muscle as possible, however you loose weight you have a chance of loosing lean muscle... the preventitive measure is to get your diet right and dont try to loose to much weight to quick... like 2 lbs a week is the safe zone -

    ... lot of protein, easy on the intensity during cardio, hit the weights in the 8 - 10 rep range... make sence?

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    Gday guys, Im a novice and want some basic tips to head me in the right direction. I play local footy and get paid well to do it so Im obligated to get fit and stay fit. Im a bigger build (105kgs, 184cm) and want to lose as much fat as I can as well as keep my muscle, or even put on more. Im not fat as normal people know it, I just want to be able to run and look better without losing my size.

    Ive been reading up a fair bit and it seems that clen is the stuff to use to lose body fat. Is this what I should be having a go with? I have to consider that I have to train for footy at a high intensity 3 times a week.

    Ive read so many things but its actually confusing me now and not sure what way to go. I dont want to look like a body builder and be that strict, I just want some basic information such as what to take and for how long, and basic training routine (reps/sets/rest) given my football training 3 days a week. Will that be enough cardio or can I run every day and lose more?

    Im probably asking a bit much so any info would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance guys
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    you will probably get more replies if you start your own thread..

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    It can turn you catabolic so there is potential for losing muscle if your diet sucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnykenney View Post
    It can turn you catabolic so there is potential for losing muscle if your diet sucks!
    really? how is that, i'm dying to know

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnykenney View Post
    It can turn you catabolic so there is potential for losing muscle if your diet sucks!
    Yeah if your not getting enough calories you will lose. Thats just a basic principle disregarding if you are on clen or not.

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    It's not the clen its the diet and cardio . U need to do more research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronK View Post
    Yeah if your not getting enough calories you will lose. Thats just a basic principle disregarding if you are on clen or not.
    True but clen causes you to burn a shit ton of calories and for some people this can induce a catabolic state unless they are eating almost the same as bulking. Me personally all I do is try to clean the diet up while on clen. I dont really try to change my total macros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phate View Post
    really? how is that, i'm dying to know
    i said if you're diet sucks!

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    So would i be right in saying than clen selectively 'burns' fat while sparing muscle and protein stores?

    cause the reason i stated the thread was due to the fact i was thinking about how the body normally loses fat. in basic terms you get into negative when comparing intake vs output (higher). so therefore your body uses its fat stores for energy, and some protein stores. And you will potentially lose 'some' muscle too when doing it the old fashioned way only.


    But as the answer here being clen doesnt make you lose muscle if your diet/ training/ cardio is ok would suggest to me that clen is selective in what it targets.

    It may have said that in one of the threads iread but missed that bit?? but as long i see it now right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronK View Post
    So would i be right in saying than clen selectively 'burns' fat while sparing muscle and protein stores?

    cause the reason i stated the thread was due to the fact i was thinking about how the body normally loses fat. in basic terms you get into negative when comparing intake vs output (higher). so therefore your body uses its fat stores for energy, and some protein stores. And you will potentially lose 'some' muscle too when doing it the old fashioned way only.


    But as the answer here being clen doesnt make you lose muscle if your diet/ training/ cardio is ok would suggest to me that clen is selective in what it targets.

    It may have said that in one of the threads iread but missed that bit?? but as long i see it now right.

    Clen raises the body's core temperature so it burns fat more efficiently while at the same time speeding up metabolism and suppressing appetite to a small extent.

    Don't confuse Clen's method of burning fat with HGH's method, HGH tells the body to burn fat for energy while sparing calories and carbs that will instead go to the muscle cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammon View Post
    most of the studies you will see shows clen has some anticatabolic activity in rats taking the equivalent to around 2600-4000 times the doses we use per day..

    but there have been a few studies on humans and beta 2 agonists..
    (metaproterenol, clenbuterol and salbutamol) did show an anabolic effect in select groups of subjects (1) (2) (3).

    (1) Arch Phys Med Rehabil. 1995 Jan;76(1):55-8.

    Increased muscle strength in paralyzed patients after spinal cord injury: effect of beta-2 adrenergic agonist.

    Signorile JF, Banovac K, Gomez M, Flipse D, Caruso JF, Lowensteyn I.

    (2) Clin Sci (Lond). 1993 Jun;84(6):651-4.

    clenbuterol, a beta-adrenoceptor agonist, increases relative muscle strength in orthopaedic patients.

    Maltin CA, Delday MI, Watson JS, Heys SD, Nevison IM, Ritchie IK, Gibson PH.

    (3) Clin Sci (Lond). 1992 Nov;83(5):615-21.

    Salbutamol, a beta 2-adrenoceptor agonist, increases skeletal muscle strength in young men.

    Martineau L, Horan MA, Rothwell NJ, Little RA.
    Guess that clears that up. Just read the abstracts.

    Clen DOES have anti-catabolic properties. As do beta-2-agonists it seems.

    Adding to PCT really may help then after all.

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