Steroids and powerlifting

[anabolictonic]

Hey so i know steroids help alot in body building but do they help alot with powerlifting. Not talkin about things like halotestin where strength comes then dissapears when you stop the halo, i mean will you make alot of progess strength wise and keep it after cycle on somethin like test e. Or is it only very beneficial for mass (ie bodybuilders)?

[oneshot]

of course they are beneficial to powerlifting. Many of the same steroids can be used, however the training will obviously be much different than that of a bodybuilder. As far as retaining strength goes, your pct, diet and training will dictate how much is kept when you come off.

[legobricks]

More muscle = More strength regardless of what your doing.

[MercyDog]

More muscle = More strength regardless of what your doing.

not trying to be negative but this isn't always true. I had less muscle and more strength when using low heavy reps combined with lots of carbs and fats than I do now with high volume and a lean diet.

[ironaddict69]

I don't know who told you halotestin's gains are fleeting, but it is the ONLY oral I would ever slightly recommend as a standalone cycle. By the way, I never lost a damn thing from it, it is an amazing drug.

[anabolictonic]

i thought halos strength gains were a result of more CNS stimulation. Nothing to do with the muscle itself. Like dbol adds more water to the muscle to make you stronger, by what process does halo do it? Surely it doesnt enlarge type 11d (11x) muscle fibres or anything glorious like that? ( Please say it does )

[JiGGaMaN]

not trying to be negative but this isn't always true. I had less muscle and more strength when using low heavy reps combined with lots of carbs and fats than I do now with high volume and a lean diet.

trust me muscle size is correlated to strength.

[SmittyTheOX]

Before some ridiculous debate starts up here, let me just throw out that a bigger muscle is potentially a stronger muscle, but a muscle can stay the same size and get stronger too.

[anabolictonic]

bigger muscle is not always stronger muscle. it depends why it is bigger. overall muscle size does not correlate to strength as much as muscle fibre size does. The cytoplasm in the muscle grows with 8-12 rep range where as in the low reps the actual muscle fibres increase in size. More cytoplasm in the muscle does next to nothin with strength but does increase mass. someone who trains in powerlifting rep ranges willl have larger muscle fibres that can produce alot more strength but less cytoplasm

[dec11]

you can powerlift the big three and bodybuild your assistant work, have been doing this for years and works well for me. obviousily if you were going into competitive powerlifting you would follow a specific routine leading up to a meet. balls out powerlifting all the time just aint possible

[ironaddict69]

you can powerlift the big three and bodybuild your assistant work, have been doing this for years and works well for me. obviousily if you were going into competitive powerlifting you would follow a specific routine leading up to a meet. balls out powerlifting all the time just aint possible

Dont you love it? I do the same thing.

anabolic you said it right. Adding 10 lbs of muscle will always raise strength. but Guess what? any good powerlifter at 220 lbs can outlift even the 250-260 lb'ers at the gym who "body build" Ronnie weighs like 330 off season, and he can only bench 405 4 times if I remember correctly...and he is one of the strong BB'ers.

[allsop]

muscle size could be related but it also could be different for everyone depending on genetics.. take me for example i weigh only 165 and am 5'9 but can bench 325... i am ripped and have the strgh but just not the mass..

[ironaddict69]

muscle size could be related but it also could be different for everyone depending on genetics.. take me for example i weigh only 165 and am 5'9 but can bench 325... i am ripped and have the strgh but just not the mass..

Being 5"9 has something to do with that.
I don't know why people are bantering about this. My doctor told me exactly this: "There are 3 types of muscle fibers

1.) 1A: Endurance muscle, runners have alot of it" I wont even continue with that as its nothing we want, I call that ***** muscle its in the 30 rep range.

2.) 2A: The muscle fibers that you can grow, simply. Trained in the 7-15 rep range

3.) 2B: Anything less than 7 reps. These are what makes powerlifters so strong. Obviously a 1 rep max would activate the most of these.

[anabolictonic]

yer alot of people call them 2b muscle fibres there actually reffered to as type 2d or 2x but commonly called type 2b, dont ask me why. But yer they out put the most power over a short amount of time.

Also the actual type 2b (d or x watever) motor units are 20% larger than the others in diamater.

[bossman_1986]

Dont you love it? I do the same thing.

anabolic you said it right. Adding 10 lbs of muscle will always raise strength. but Guess what? any good powerlifter at 220 lbs can outlift even the 250-260 lb'ers at the gym who "body build" Ronnie weighs like 330 off season, and he can only bench 405 4 times if I remember correctly...and he is one of the strong BB'ers.

actually i saw him do 495 pounds for 5 reps in a video and he did 12 easy reps with 200lbs dumbells in another video

[dec11]

b'build and powerliftin stark contrast. ive seen b'builders enter our comps, lookn fookn big, and i mean big, but just not anywhere near the powerlifters. its great to do a combo of both disaplines, and i honestly think a strong body is the key to building, i used to squat 220kgs @ 67.5kgs and now only squatting 280kgs @99.5kgs bw, u would think i shud be doin more at tht weight, wudnt ya???!!! i know 68.5/75kg guys that wud blow me outa the water.

[dec11]

Dont you love it? I do the same thing.

anabolic you said it right. Adding 10 lbs of muscle will always raise strength. but Guess what? any good powerlifter at 220 lbs can outlift even the 250-260 lb'ers at the gym who "body build" Ronnie weighs like 330 off season, and he can only bench 405 4 times if I remember correctly...and he is one of the strong BB'ers.

certainly do dude, gave most of my life to powerlifting lol

[J-41-sd]

tendon strength also plays a huge role in strength, as does training, to be freakishly strong you need to train your central nervous system as well so that your brain and muscles are conected to fire muscles most efficiently.

[dec11]

wel said j, its all about motor neurons and connectin mind and muscle group. spent many an hour pers training, tough to get across 2 ppl!!!!!

[ironaddict69]

actually i saw him do 495 pounds for 5 reps in a video and he did 12 easy reps with 200lbs dumbells in another video

Okay, I guess I will just end his little spree with comparing him to a professional power lifter even 50 lbs lighter than him =/

[Braveheart04]

Pro Bodybuilders are strong guys, they just aren't powerlifters.