tight nut sack

[Big Oz]

ok so i posted earlier and got good advice. i decided my bulking cycle is going to be

test E or C 600mg 1-12
deca 450mg 1-10
dbol 30mg ed 1-4

whenever i run a test cycle my nuts "tighten" up. It's like they stop hanging and just rise up to the top. Is there any way to prevent this or atleast minimize these effects. I heard about running hcg throught a cycle. Can anyone give me an info on running hcg or any pct drug during a cycle. Also what is my best bet as far as pct goes and when should i start the pct.

thanks!!

[Big Oz]

i also have tribulus on hand. should i take that during the cycle or pct?

[redz]

HCG will help keep the nuts going.

[MMArmour]

throw your tribulus in the trash.

hCG.

[Big Oz]

ok. but how and when do i do the hcg.

[Mammon]

you can run the hcg at 500iu a couple times a week through cycle.. or a few weeks in the middle then at the end.. up to you..

when you start pct depends on which ester test your going with.. since your running it 2 weeks past the deca..

enanthate wait 2 weeks
cyp wait 18 days

[Big Oz]

only pct or during my cycle

[bighital]

What is hcg?

[Big Oz]

ya i guess i can do it twice a week during the cycle. im probably going to run test cyp what do you think i should run as far as pct assuming i take hcg 500iu's twice a week (1,000 iu weekly)?

[Mammon]

only pct or during my cycle

i run it through the cycle.. i stop HCG beforre i start any pct meds

[johnnybigguns]

Honestly I wouldn't worry about the HCG.
Its just the berries shuting down well you are not using them.
They come back during pct.
If you run too much HCG you can also lead into problems

[redz]

i stop HCG beforre i start any pct meds

100% I run it a few weeks leading upto pct but stop before taking any pct stuff.

[MMArmour]

u know i keep seeing this but...

what problems johnny?

[Big Oz]

so what do you guys think about this

test cyp 600mg 1-12
deca 450mg 1-10
dbol 30mg ed 1-4
hcg 1000 iu 12-14

pct 18 days after last shot of test cyp

what should i run for pct if the above is correct

[johnnybigguns]

I'll find some info for you MMA.
Personally I only think it has a place in really long cycles or very heavy cycles where your shutdown real hard.

[Mammon]

if its leydig cell desensitization thats not much concern at 500iu doses a couple times a week

[MMArmour]

nolva and clomid.

id run it:
1-13wk cyp
1-12wk deca.

Thats just me tho.

[Big Oz]

how much and for how long? (nolva & clomid)

[johnnybigguns]

Prolonged use can cause something about down regulating the lh receptors and put you back where you started agian I can't find the exact info but its something like that. Personally with that cycle which I don't think is too heavy and it you just have to run hcg I would go with 250iu twice a week.

alittle nut shrinking wouldn't bother me enough to really worry about it.
Why take something you really don't need to add just my 2cents

[Mammon]

i agree on the nolvadex and clomid for pct..
i run 100mg clomid and 20mg nolvadex for 30 days or so.. many ways to go about it..

[Big Oz]

ok so hows this


test cyp 600mg 1-12
deca 450mg 1-10
dbol 30mg ed 1-4
hcg 500 iu weekly 12-14

pct 18 days after last shot of test cyp

pct for 30 days

100mg clomid ed
20mg nolvadex ed

[Big Oz]

do any of these pct drugs have serios side affects at these dosages (clomid 100mg ed nolvadex 20mg ed) i read something about stroke with nolva

[MMArmour]

id run your pct like this:

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

[Big Oz]

just to be sure by

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

u mean that amount a day for that week?

so id take nolva 40 mg a day for the first week and then 20 mg a week for the next 3 weeks etc...

[Mammon]

thats ed..
take it before bed..

[Big Oz]

ya ed but for that specific week

its not 40/20/20/20 meaning four days.. its 40 first week 20 the following 3 weeks right?

[MMArmour]

yes.

40mg ed for the first week. 20mg/ed for the weeks following.

Make sense?

Same with clomid

100mg first week, 50mg the following weeks

[Mammon]

correct

[Big Oz]

ok so this is it right here

test cyp 600mg 1-12
deca 450mg 1-10
dbol 30mg ed 1-4
hcg 500 iu weekly 12-14

pct 18 days after last shot of test cyp

nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

does this look good??

[Big Oz]

do any of the pct drugs have any serious side affects at those doses

[Big Oz]

bye the way i wanna thank you guys for the advice.. good lookin out

[MMArmour]

some people experience vision problems with clomid. other dont.

and no problem.

[Mammon]

thats why i take my pct meds before bed.. sleep through any of the possible sides