HELP!! Tren E question

[twest]

I'll start off by saying hello all, I am new to the forums but have been using the site for many years. I am 25 yrs old and 6'0 tall and 232 lbs at about 15-18% body fat. I just came across a good deal on some tren e and bought 20cc dosed at 125mg/ml. My question is how exactly is the best way to take this and what should I take with it, i've heard test but what type and how much and what do you guys recommend for PCT? I don't really want to put on much more size, just maintain and lower my body fat percentage.

[lord henry]

well if you want to cycle stay away from tren for 1st time ,its too harsh for 1st time use ,also useing tren alone is not good,as you said you need to add test .

go with test e/c for 1st cycle .

[twest]

this is not my first cycle, I have ran masteron several times and equipoise twice, how much test do I need to use if i'm not wanting to put on a lot of size?

[lord henry]

steroids are used to build muscle and add size to use aas for not adding size dont make sence to me ,if you want to drop body fat then diet and cardio will do that not steroids.

am sure you could drop to around 12% with a good cutting diet then clean bulk diet for the few extra lbs you want.

that would be the best way to go about things.

[twest]

Well let me rephrase that, I dont want to add "bulk" meaning water retention and fat that comes along with size and some anabolics, I want to stay around the same body weight and put on good lean mass....if that makes sense??ha I know that tren is notorious for this, so how would I need to stack test with it for the best results, and what type of PCT

[Mammon]

diet would determine all that.
could also run an AI

[tripmachine]

^^ exactly.... DIET determines the 'size' and 'type of size' you are going to be. If you eat like sh!t all the time then you will add the wrong type of size obviously...... if you eat really clean then you will add the size you want to add as well as burn some fat at the same time.... (yes that is easily possible i did it last year on test e / tren e) I don't think you have enough tren e but maybe you do..... personally I'd run test e @ 500mg / week for 12 weeks and tren e 400mg / week for 10 weeks. I'd also frontload the test e as well to help get things going quicker. That's what I did last year along with a solid diet and I transformed into a whole new person.... not just from the 12-14 week cycle but the entire year eating better, working out and adding that cycle about 7 months after I started working out / eating good again.

Make sure you have your PCT all ready before you start. I would keep letro or adex on hand just in case.... I think anyone that cycles should have one of those on hand always.... makes sense. anyway good luck and keep asking questions.

[twest]

What do you recommend for a PCT with the test e and tren e?

[lord henry]

nolva/clomid with hcg the ending weeks of cycle

[WARMachine]

^ Possibly add an AI as well.

For TWest, youre bf% is entirely too high to cycle. Especially with Tren. Too high a BF% mixed with Tren = Progesterone + Estrogen sides.

Read this.

Running Letro reversals, preventing gyno, and everthing inbetween
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

[twest]

^ Possibly add an AI as well.

For TWest, youre bf% is entirely too high to cycle. Especially with Tren. Too high a BF% mixed with Tren = Progesterone + Estrogen sides.

Read this.

Running Letro reversals, preventing gyno, and everthing inbetween
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

So would it be better to run Masteron Enanthate instead of tren? I have used masteron and got great results. If so should I take anything else with the masteron? I have a good frame and want to add some good lean muscle and burn some fat...suggestions??

[WARMachine]

Test is the base of any cycle bro. You always need Test.

I wouldnt cycle until my BF% was under 15%. Preferably 12%.

Look into running some clen, getting that BF% down, while perfecting your diet, and THEN cycle again.

If you do the above stated, i see no problem with running the Test/Tren cycle. And believe me, what ever size and strength you lose, youll gain back and then some.

I can asure you youd be better off doing the following.

[T-MOS]

I would NEVER use Tren Enanthate as my first Tren cycle !!!

Tren is known for some of the harshest side effects out there. You are better off starting with Tren Ace that way, if the sides are too bad for you, you can quit the cycle and the sides will be gone in days instead of WEEKS if you have to stop Tren E JMHO

[WARMachine]

Thats a very good point bro. ^^

I didnt realize he was set on Tren E, though i should have cause of the name of the title.

I dropped the ball on that one.