eq/test cyp? help needed

[sjgray4]

HELLO!
Advice needed,
age 21
height 5 ft 7
weight 150
bench 220
squat 242
bf unknown but quite lean, so rough estimate of 12-14%

looking to conduct a first cycle. My goal is to achieve around 10lb plus of quality lean muscle without much water bloat and fat gain which whilst not a huge amount of size should be enough to give me a real good figure due to my short stature.

what u would like enlightening upon is if a test cyp/eq stack ran for 10 weeks at these dosages (eq 500mg/W test cyp 250mg/w) would help me achieve this and allow me to keep my athletic/lean appearance as opposed to giving me a round and bulkier look on the muscle.

This is what most friends of mine which are users have recommended. A cycle of EQ with a low element of test.

Or would i be better running an EQ only stack as there would be little to no water retention and gains, whilst smaller, which are more in line with my goal. Lean ripped athletic looking muscle.

I suppose my main concern is wether the element of test @ 250mg will counteract the EQ's effect of quality muscle by piling on water weight and sheer bulk

It goes without saying i would be running the releveant PCT clomid/nolva but feel free to give further advice on this matter as i am a novice!

constructive criticism only please im looking for advice not endless blunt replies telling me i dont know what the f*ck im doing

Other than that looking forward to your replies!!!!!!

[Phate]

HELLO!
Advice needed,
age 21
height 5 ft 7
weight 150 too light for a cycle
bench 220
squat 242
bf unknown but quite lean, so rough estimate of 12-14%

looking to conduct a first cycle. My goal is to achieve around 10lb plus of quality lean muscle without much water bloat and fat gain which whilst not a huge amount of size should be enough to give me a real good figure due to my short stature.
this goal can be achieved naturally with a good diet
what u would like enlightening upon is if a test cyp/eq stack ran for 10 weeks at these dosages (eq 500mg/W test cyp 250mg/w) would help me achieve this and allow me to keep my athletic/lean appearance as opposed to giving me a round and bulkier look on the muscle.

This is what most friends of mine which are users have recommended. A cycle of EQ with a low element of test.
no need
Or would i be better running an EQ only stack as there would be little to no water retention and gains, whilst smaller, which are more in line with my goal. Lean ripped athletic looking muscle.

I suppose my main concern is wether the element of test @ 250mg will counteract the EQ's effect of quality muscle by piling on water weight and sheer bulk

It goes without saying i would be running the releveant PCT clomid/nolva but feel free to give further advice on this matter as i am a novice!

constructive criticism only please im looking for advice not endless blunt replies telling me i dont know what the f*ck im doing

Other than that looking forward to your replies!!!!!!

post your diet in detail or start a thread in the diet forum, you don't need AS for your goal and it won't do much if your diet isn't on point

[sjgray4]

no problem diet is quite lean and typically i have been consuing carbs in the am/early pm and aim to intake in excess of 250 gm of quality protein a day of which the bulk comes from protein shake supplements which provide around 40gm protein (a blend of a few types slow medium fast digesting) 2-3 a day treated as a kind of snack in between meals even though they are supposedly meal replacement shakes LOL they never quite hit the spot

breakfast consists of a bowl of oats, fruit juice, and 2 raw egg white washed down with milk

usually followed by another shake after 2 hours or so at work

for lunch a large chicken/tuna/ pasta or jacket, beans tuna etc is typical

followed by another shake when the hunger kicks in 2-3 hours after

for dinner the meal is usually based around a lot of meat seasoned well with little fat eg sirloin steak, chicken breast, mince, chili concarne etc

followed by another shake before bed if dinner has not filled me. On an off day i tend to consumer less than 3 shakes.

when i cant help myself i snack on nuts to fend off hunger pains!

Hope this very rough guideline will suffice as its all i can really offer, i dont really calorie count or keep amazingly strict diet regimes as other people can do. However i may begin soon as i am aware a diet is a major part of working towards goals and whilst i dont neglect this completely i suppose i could pay much more attention!

[Phate]

no problem diet is quite lean and typically i have been consuing carbs in the am/early pm and aim to intake in excess of 250 gm of quality protein a day
of which the bulk comes from protein shake supplements which provide around 40gm protein (a blend of a few types slow medium fast digesting)
bulk of nutrients should come from food, not shakes, no need for more than 2 shakes in a day, i only use 1 and that's only on occasion PWO
2-3 a day treated as a kind of snack in between meals even though they are supposedly meal replacement shakes LOL they never quite hit the spot

breakfast consists of a bowl of oats, fruit juice, and 2 raw egg white washed down with milk
very little protein, no need for fruit juice or milk, how much oats
usually followed by another shake after 2 hours or so at work
cut the shake and add a good whole meal
for lunch a large chicken/tuna/ pasta or jacket, beans tuna etc is typical
amounts would be nice
followed by another shake when the hunger kicks in 2-3 hours after
cut the shake again
for dinner the meal is usually based around a lot of meat seasoned well with little fat eg sirloin steak, chicken breast, mince, chili concarne etc
not bad, should include a complex carb
followed by another shake before bed if dinner has not filled me. On an off day i tend to consumer less than 3 shakes.
whole food bro
when i cant help myself i snack on nuts to fend off hunger pains!

Hope this very rough guideline will suffice as its all i can really offer, i dont really calorie count or keep amazingly strict diet regimes as other people can do. However i may begin soon as i am aware a diet is a major part of working towards goals and whilst i dont neglect this completely i suppose i could pay much more attention!

diet could use alot of work, you're not eating NEAR enough, that's why you have problems gaining

[sjgray4]

and in reply to the comment about too light for a cycle, id just like to point out again that i am very very short in stature lol and for my height and frame i am far from skinny!

[IM708]

I weigh about 170 lean @ 5'8" and I havn't cycled yet.

[Phate]

and in reply to the comment about too light for a cycle, id just like to point out again that i am very very short in stature lol and for my height and frame i am far from skinny!

yeah, i haven't cycled yet either and i'm around 195 at 10%, maybe a bit less now, between 5'7 and 5'8

[sjgray4]

tends to be a good helping of oats, 3 scoops plus milk, enough for me to be sick of the stuff LOL, so to sum up i should be aiming to eat much much more in terms of whole meals! Thanks for the advice ill definately be following up on this, out of curiosity assuming i did up the diet yet found gains not to be as desired im guessing i would still seek to cycle in order to help and gain that mass. Would you say an eq/test cycle would provide the kind of gains i'd desire?

[IM708]

Just go test only for first cycle

[sjgray4]

close to 200lb at 10% thats impressive, so it can be done without cycling for sure! im going to have to keep telling myself that when im working a sweat up in the gym LOL

[sjgray4]

Just go test only for first cycle

so you'd reccomend test only to achieve lean mass futher down the line if needed?

[IM708]

For first cycle, yes.

[Phate]

tends to be a good helping of oats, 3 scoops plus milk, enough for me to be sick of the stuff LOL, so to sum up i should be aiming to eat much much more in terms of whole meals! Thanks for the advice ill definately be following up on this, out of curiosity assuming i did up the diet yet found gains not to be as desired im guessing i would still seek to cycle in order to help and gain that mass. Would you say an eq/test cycle would provide the kind of gains i'd desire?

glad to hear it

Just go test only for first cycle

agreed

close to 200lb at 10% thats impressive, so it can be done without cycling for sure! im going to have to keep telling myself that when im working a sweat up in the gym LOL

it's all in the diet bro, well that and the work ethic

so you'd reccomend test only to achieve lean mass futher down the line if needed?

yes, read the beginner cycle guide(it's a sticky at the top of this forum) and all the threads in it, this will give you a good start on running a quality first cycle

[sjgray4]

thanks for the heads up! yeah ill chase up info on diet and first cycles, no massive rush to get huge ive got years left yet!

Much appreciated