nolvadex

[casper514]

were can i get nolvadex aparantly i need some ,before i ever did a cycle i allready had little balls in my nipples some i allready have estrogen now i need to prevevnt it ,,i got here that bullshit novedex xt im gonna take that untili get my nolvadex ,thnks

[MMArmour]

*sigh*

novedex xt is a "testosterone booster" it is not a SERM. throw it in the trash.

click the top banner to look at some research chems

[SampsonandDelilah]

you may need more than just Nolvadex...if I were you, I'd start learning all I can about gyno and how to stop/reverse it

[redz]

Get some Letro asap.

[casper514]

so letro is better then nolvadex can i order of this site and how do i use it and u know what im thinking by the time this shit will get to my place imma have frecking tits allready

[redz]

ar-r.com sell everything you need.

[casper514]

thnks bro hopefully this shit wont b too late cuz im starting to feel my nipples tightening and hurting a lil bit almoast not noticable but i rather safe then sorry

[casper514]

how do i take this letro i just ordered it and should i take that alone or mix it

[redz]

You can take it mixed in juice to avoid the bad taste of it. You will need to take something like nolva or a weeker ai when coming off because there can be a nasty estro rebound when coming off of letro.

[casper514]

for how long do i take letro can u give me an example i have no clue how to do it thnks

[Gears]

By C-Bino:
"I am posting this thread to help answer all of the questions regarding gyno prevention and reversal, the use of letrozole and other anti-e’s. I will go over everything in very simple easy to understand language. Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it.

Let me make this first point very clear, as I state in my signature this is from my personal experience, so whether you agree with it or not is your own issue. I have helped many people with gyno and it has worked just fine for them as well.

To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions:

SERM – Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
AI – Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI’s prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in Letro.

Letro and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

I hope this covers most of the issues, still feel free to PM me if you have questions. But make sure you read the entire post first.

I will ignore PM's that have an answer covered in this post already."

[casper514]

thnks alot guys

[casper514]

so i gotta stay on letro for 3 weeks like this 1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro ** so what its saying here is that i take leetro with lets say nolva tell u the truth im mixed up confused someone would have to tell me exacly how to do it

[casper514]

i have to take letro and nolva togheter
is that it

[Gears]

Did you read it all man? You ramp up the dose to 2.5mg untill the gyno goes away (if it does), then you need to start something like nolvadex to prevent estrogen rebound as soon as you stop the letro.

[casper514]

ok so i do the letro first and lets say when im done with letro i emidiatly start nolva and sorry im no good with mg i have a ml thnig i cand suck it in there and im only at my second month of my cycle im doing 3 months of test400 after the letro and nolva do i still have to do a pct after my cycle

[casper514]

anyone

[jimmyinkedup]

id personally jump on nolva right away and run it alongside letro for 2 weeks ...ramp up letro just as described - drop nolva after 2 weeks use ....JMO....At the end of cycle run pct protocol....

[casper514]

my guy told me he was gonna get me nolva but in pills or else if he doesent ill order it from the site hopefully it wont b too late by then this thing started today i i wasa training in i had a lil pain under my nipple and around it and i allways had lil ball in my nipple since im young so my guy told me i had estrogen allready so i had to control it or reduce it not to sure but ya gotta do something bout this before its too latei just ordered the letro but now i dont know im waiting on the nolva

[H2Okid]

you better overnight that shit bro. I let mine go for 2 days and now this how my shit looks.



http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...hkl/Bruce1.jpg

[SampsonandDelilah]

you better overnight that shit bro. I let mine go for 2 days and now this how my shit looks.



http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...hkl/Bruce1.jpg

Tell me that's some stock photo you found on-line and you're trying to freak this dude out?!?!?! Otherwise, your BF was WAY to high to have started a cycle, and it shouldn't be shocking that you developed gyno...

[casper514]

can he still reduce that at that point or the only way would b surgury from what i can see in that pic its only the nipple

[SampsonandDelilah]

can he still reduce that at that point or the only way would b surgury from what i can see in that pic its only the nipple

Honestly, I don't have a clue....but would guess that the guy in that pic would need surgery! Is yours that advanced? What was yourbf% before you started the cycle? I had a buddy with real low bf% and he still developed gyno and eventually had to get it cut out...looks totally normal now though.
Did you order your letro/novadex? Definitley a lesson here...have all of your AI's/SERM's BEFORE you start a cycle! Good luck bro...keep us posted on how the reversal goes

[casper514]

well u can see in my album its still like that i dont really have it lil lump i allways had that when its hot theres a lump and when its cold it tightens up but i allways had lil balls under my nipples and since yesterday it was hurting a liiiiil; bit almost not noticable maybe i was paranoying but ya my guy told me due to me having lil balls under my nipples i should run some kind of anti estrogen well i allready ordered letro now waiting for it

[casper514]

ands my bf was 20
i dont nkow now around that i jsut started cutting

[SampsonandDelilah]

you're not even close to looking like the guy H20kid posted. Pain in the nipples is not a good sign though...I'd run the letro/nolva ASAP, otherwise, you may want to go see the doc. BF still looks high to be cycling, not sure if that's what causing your problems. work on getting that BF down...good luck bro...hang in there

[casper514]

thanks bro

[murphylee]

god damn that is gross

[bradster77]

How low should someones bf be if they're cycling?
what's a safe general cutoff?
10%?
12%?
I didn't know it was such a huge factor, I thought it was only really high bodyfats like 20%+ that had to cut before cycling.

[casper514]

How low should someones bf be if they're cycling?
what's a safe general cutoff?
10%?
12%?
I didn't know it was such a huge factor, I thought it was only really high bodyfats like 20%+ that had to cut before cycling.

well im not talking from experience cuz im new to this, but ive been reading alot and if ur bf% is from 10 to 12 i think ur at a good bf %, but it all come down to ur body type ppl with 10 bf % still get gyno sometimes, gyno can b devloped even before ppl ever done a cycle and ppl that cuts down from higher then 15%bf down to whatever % its probably better to prevevnt it

[nick84]

you better overnight that shit bro. I let mine go for 2 days and now this how my shit looks.



http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...hkl/Bruce1.jpg

H2OKID are u for real, ur saying u left this for 2day and now it looks that bad?? have u taken letro and reversed it? where are u on this now, im in same boat only had mine 2yr, is there anyway bk for me b4 sergry????