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im gonna be running a stack of trenbolone acetate and winni. just wondering what are some good supplements i could take with it. i know i should take test with it but i really dont want to bloat at all and i dont want the estrogen effects. could i still take these without the test?
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test does more than just bloat you it is needed because you are shutting down your natural production.
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im 21. 5'7. 160. around 8-10% bf. ive been lifting since i was about 14 and ran about three cycles of steroids between 17-19. so what if i dont take the test, theoretically. i cant take the other 2 at all?
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you need to run test as a base for any cycle
and youve ran 3 cycles and your only 21.
wow
if i was you i would go get blood work done just to be safe
do you know about proper PCT? if you dont know about always running test then id say your grasp on PCT and cycles isnt where it should be
what were your other 3 cycles??
your small for running 3 cycles already
and your only 5'7?? probably cuz you used gear to young and it fused your growth plates together
unless all the ppl in your family are short
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Its not a good idea to do any of that. Haven't you heard steroids are bad.Originally Posted by illBangYurGirl
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yes yes yes i know all i about pct. my dad is a professional bodybuilding, my moms an anesthesiologist and my sister is a personal trainer. my body is 100% percent fine. the only reason im short is cause of my ADHD meds. and before i was 190 but i dropped to 160 for a fight but i dont look it. i ran a cycle of tren before and also winni, test prop and test enenthate. i just cant remember which result i got from which ones. and no i didnt run them at the same time. trust i know what im doing everyone around here is all juiced up. im just looking to get on this without the test and still have it work
Last edited by illBangYurGirl; 04-21-2009 at 11:29 AM. Reason: not finished
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so back to my original question-----could i still run this without test and if i absolutly cant what are some good a.i for bloat
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Adex
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absolutely must run test
if you dont want to bloat from test... run prop
and if your dad bodybuilds... why dont you ask him? and he would know that you have to run test.
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lol yur making me go pretty deep dude...my ma and dad are divorced so i dont talk to my dad anymore. but anyways thanks for letting me know that. ive never heard of adex. is it pill or injectable. and would it make a difference with the bloat if i took a strong water pill like L2 from Cellucor? and another question altogether: what gear would you suggest for running the best cutting cycle if this one isnt good (supposedly).
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You dont need gear with those stats and condition
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=367187
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what do you mean i dont need gear? my whole life revolves around fitness. I know everything about diet and exercise. and this isnt my first stack. i dont understand why all the guys who abuse the shit out of roids are the first to tell other people not to do it. i guarantee you werent 30 when you first started to juice. 21 is fine. im not trying to make enemies here but i feel like your treating me like a little kid. i know the effects of steroids on the body and i feel like personal health and fitness is just fine to take the abuse for a couple months. im just look to take my physique to the next level and get extremely ripped.
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Welcome to AR
It doesn't sound like you are going to take our advice, as it is advice from many many YEARS of experience, don't you think we worry about bloating too???
SO, if you are not gonna listen, why bother to ask???
You are gonna do what you want anyway. You are just waiting for that ONE post that says Sure, its ok, go do it....
Well with your stats, and experience, you are not gonna get the OK for what you want to do as it is NOT a good idea.
Shutting down your body's NATURAL production of hormones that you are MEANT to have without replacing those hormones is just FOOLISH !! But its YOUR body, so do what you want to it.....
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Exactly ^^^ you dont need gear yet, what does it matter if your life revolves around fitness!! , with your condition and stats you dont need it and you need to build more of a base, you have a very high level of hormones at your age why even risk causing serious problems, but guess you wont listen and you will do it anyway, thats my opinion from over 20yrs in the bodybuilding game and fitness and from also seeing many and i mean many bodybuilders regret starting to early, take it or leave it but I am right!!
Best of luck
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Then why ask for advice?
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Wow I type slow...
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ok wait a minute. am i on bodybuilding.com or something?? this is steroid.com and everyone is anti steroid. listen i came here to get some advice. im not looking for the ok. once again treating me like a kid. im looking to do this the safest and most effect way possible. i pretty much knew you had to take a test because its pretty much a rule, but i was just making sure there wasnt some other way to do it that i wasnt aware of. i obviously would like to take this shit seeing as i paid for it but i just came here for info. i already asked what you would suggest but you keep trying to convince me not to take it. like i said i already did this shit three times before so the damage is done. now id like to do it the right way
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then what would you suggest for lowing bodyfat even further. i have a full blown 8 pack and i can almost do a full set on the bench at 270 (i get off about 4), but i really want to get that dense dry look and an even more ripped look. ive taken water pills and i do 45-1 hr of cardio daily (low intensity, sometimes HIIT).
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Thats unusual a young lad with attitude, my advice to you wouldnt change no matter were we were here or another BB site, its your stats what make me give my opinion on weather your ready or not,
I wont be giving any advice because I really dont think your ready, doesnt matter if damage is already done, with that kind of attitude your going to be in big trouble son in life.
Ive done here!! , you may get someone who gives you advice but i would suspect it is from another 18-21yrs lad with a couple of months experience
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ok first of all don't mistake my ambition for attitude. I apreciate your opinion and I thank you for your concern, but I asked you your opinion on the juice and you say I'm not ready. ok fine. so then I ask what would you suggest alternativly for lowering my bf and you still wouldn't give me advice. 20 plus years in bodybuilding and no advice to pass on. useless. maybe if I was 50 years old, wrinkly as hell with no time on my hands and a family with bills to pay then I could get some help.
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Why should I pass anything on with your attitude? you seem to know it all so i will state again, i wont be giving you any advice because your not ready for gear IMHO, now if you want any advice on fatloss go to the diet section and you will receive it, this is AAS section
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You are WRONG there bud. First off we don't ABUSE them, second, I for one didn't start until i was 35 and had a terrific natural base
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advice to drop bodyfat is 89.999% DIET, then Cardio and training, then rest...
your diet needs tweeked if you are at a sticking point
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see thank you. thats all I was looking for. not some self righteous bs by someone who makes judgement calls based on numbers on paper. you have no idea my body and it's chemistry. I do. thats y idecided to do this again. I guess I'll try tweaking my diet
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if you check out the diet section, we have a couple of GREAT guys that can help you with that
PHATE
Jamyjamjr
just to name two
and BTW.....you did give some attitude, so in the future, be kind and a bit humble to the guys you are asking for help if you expect our FREE advice....we don't get paid to do this you know
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i apologize if i started to get rude. it wasnt my intention. i just had a goal set and was determined to reach it but i guess ill have to find another one. thanks alot for all your advice
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