T3 in a mass cycle?

[run_n_fool]

Yesterday I posted a question about the value of using clen when trying to gain lean mass. The concensus was that it was pointless and possibly counter productive (thanks to all who replied!).

However, someone replied that T3 is useful when trying to gain lean mass or even lose fat while gaining muscle. This is the first I have heard about T3 in that regard. Can anyone provide more details on using T3 when trying to gain lean mass and lean up simultaneously? Perhaps while on a mild cycle of 400 mg of test e to counter act any catabolic effects of the T3.

[jimmyinkedup]

i could see POSSIBLY that making sense when using tren to offset possible dimished t3 production b/c or tren ...but i dunno about using it in alean bulk ...too tough to get cal intake exactly right IMO and youd be cutting yourself short in some way. JMO...

[M302_Imola]

I was going to include t3 in my upcoming lean bulk cycle but I think it would be counter productive like jimmy said. Seems to me that you will have to eat a shit ton of cals to gain any weight since your BMR will be elevated. A simple 300-500 cal surplus won't lead to much weight gain while on t3...IMO.

[Drake Hotel]

T3 is used mainly to raise one’s metabolism and burning fat, when used at higher dosages...but at lower doses it causes a faster conversion of carbohydrates, proteins, and fats. When you run a bulking cycle you do so in conjunction with a higher calorie diet because we know in order to grow muscle we need to feed the body nutrients, so there are plenty of nutrients to be converted, thus the cycle will yield better results.

Yup, something along those lines.


Incorporating T3 into a mass cycle can produce tremendous results. Naturally, there's only so much protein at a time that the body can use. For example whey protein, used on its own, is useless beyond doses of 20-30g because any excess is only burned off as heat. With T3 however, your body becomes better at using nutrients - including protein. AAS, GH and insulin all improve protein balance; AAS increases intracellular uptake of serum amino acids, and increased protein synthesis; GH is protein sparing by increasing the use of fat for fuel, coupled with AAS the "spared" protein (or rather, amino acids) can instead be used for protein synthesis (win win); insulin decreases protein breakdown and so is obviously protein (amino acid) sparing, and increases intracellular uptake of amino acids that can be used for protein synthesis.

However the use of either or all of those drugs doesn't markedly increase protein need from food; even if you stuff yourself with great amounts of protein using AAS, GH and insulin, a lot of it is just gonna get burned off as heat. T3 however, again, increases the body's ability to take up protein/amino acids in the intestine, and to handle them (that is, do something else with it besides burning it off as energy). This is where protein need from food may be greatly increased (dose dependent).

All I'm saying here though is that a steroid cycle (which may include more candy) where T3 is used can produce greater gains. What I'm not entirely sure about is whether it would necessarily contribute to a "lean bulk". Spontaneously I think that seems kinda reasonable though; using protein sparing and lipolysis-promoting drugs, the effect of T3 to increase overall nutrient turnover would work mainly on fat stores. This is only speculation though.

A bit much information perhaps? I'm bored I'm lacking quite a few details here so someone who actually knows this stuff could perhaps contribute with those, but I think I got the general "idea" right.

[M302_Imola]

^^^very informative post. Any of the vets agree with his reasoning?

[run_n_fool]

Thanks for the replies everyone.

What would an ideal dose be for this purpose? 25 mg? 50? 75?

thanks

[Drake Hotel]

Thanks for the replies everyone.

What would an ideal dose be for this purpose? 25 mg? 50? 75?

thanks

50mcg ed and up. The effect on nutrient turnover is dose dependent, as are side effects of course.

[fabboy54]

Soo if you do take the T3 while on aas what kind of cycle are you going to take? When you going to take it bc I might look into taking T3 while on I am about to go on a tren test cycle soon.