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    first cycle: prop vs havoc

    Hey guys I've been doing alot of reading around many different forums and have came down to either test prop or the ph havoc. If prop, I plan on going for 6 weeks eod, or the havoc for 1 month 20/30/30/30. Each followed by novla or tamox. My goal is to jumpstart my gains after an injury. I've only used protein and creatine previously but have been reading quite a bit about both of these and I need a boost. I play football and whichever i use needs to be out of my system by october, so test enanthate is out of the question. Which should I go with and which is the easiest overall on the body?

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    I'm 21 yrs old, been lifting seriously for 4 years. 6'5" 245 lbs

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    first you are a bit young for a cycle and 6 weeks is too short for a cycle...
    body fat%?
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    Forget both of those weak cycles. If your bf is low enough you should look into a 10-12 week test E or C cycle.

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    not an option as he needs it out of system in October.
    why october? seems a bit late for ncaa/naia testing as teams report for camp in august.

    advise

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    I'm not sure the exact time they test its between mid september-mid october. I was actually tested last year and i still cant remember. The 6 week cycle of prop wouldnt even help a little bit? All I want is a boost in the gym to give me the energy/determination to work hard and give me a little bit quicker return on investment then normal. This injury (herniated disk in my back) has cost me quite a bit of strength, and I just want to get back to where I was quick so I don't spend all summer backtracking. I haven't got my BF checked recently but I'd say its anywhere from 12-16% Any other suggestions? and any opinions on havoc?

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    that's a difference in bf%, post a pic

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