my first cycle.. thoughts people?

[Rastapopolous]

I completed my first cycle a couple of months ago... Here's the cycle I ran:

Sustanon 250 at 750 mg/week (inj. 250mg Mon, Wed, Fri) for 14 weeks
Dianabol at 20-30 mg/day for weeks 1,3,5,7,9,11,13
Winstrol (oral) at 40 mg/day for 2,4,6,8,10,12,14

Nolva from 0 mg per day up to 50 mg per day throughout the cycle. The tabs were 50 mg, and I broke 'em into quarters and every day I just took however much I felt I needed.

For PCT I ran Clomid and Proviron. Clomid at 10 mg/day and Proviron at 50 - 100 mg/day.
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I didn't experience any significant Estrogen side effects during the cycle -- I don't think I got any gyno. For the first 8 weeks or so I felt like a monster in the gym (and also my libido was through the roof =)).

Later on in the cycle from about week 8 - 14 I started to get some pretty bad acne all over my back and I kind of felt that my skin was all oily. This was probably the most annoying thing about the cycle. I think the Dbol was also quite toxic to me as I would get people telling me that my eyes looked a bit weird (like, my dad would make jokes that he thought I was smoking weed) also the Dbol seemed to jack me up to the point that I would constantly have a runny nose.

As far as gains go, I put on roughly 10 kgs (22 pounds) during the cycle and my strength improved alot. I was actually able to keep recording increases in my lifts for about 5 weeks after the cycle.


What would you have done differently?
How do I stop getting bad acne on my back? (anyone else experienced this?)

[Immortal Soldier]

Things I would have done differently?

Oh well

1) I would have done Test only cycle and not used Sust

2) Wouldn't have done winstrol for my first cycle

3) Would have done a dbol kickstart and not ran it throughout the whole cycle

4) Clomid dosage was WAY TO LOW....10mg? First of all I never seen clomid in 10mg are you sure it wasn't nolva? Your PCT was weak you need both nolva and clomid.

Dosage should have been:

clomid: 100/50/50/50
nolva: 40/20/20/20

5) Should have done more research


How much of your gains did you keep? As for back acne, only real solution is going to the beach or using dawn dishwasher soap or getting acne topical cream of some sort.

[richtries]

**** me, 14 weeks of orals, gonna get slated for that bro

[Yergg]

Things I would have done differently?

Oh well

1) I would have done Test only cycle and not used Sust

2) Wouldn't have done winstrol for my first cycle

3) Would have done a dbol kickstart and not ran it throughout the whole cycle

4) Clomid dosage was WAY TO LOW....10mg? First of all I never seen clomid in 10mg are you sure it wasn't nolva? Your PCT was weak you need both nolva and clomid.

Dosage should have been:

clomid: 100/50/50/50
nolva: 40/20/20/20

5) Should have done more research


How much of your gains did you keep? As for back acne, only real solution is going to the beach or using dawn dishwasher soap or getting acne topical cream of some sort.

Ive seen 10mg clomid tabs (ugl)

[inky-e]

I completed my first cycle a couple of months ago... Here's the cycle I ran:

Sustanon 250 at 750 mg/week (inj. 250mg Mon, Wed, Fri) for 14 weeks
Dianabol at 20-30 mg/day for weeks 1,3,5,7,9,11,13
Winstrol (oral) at 40 mg/day for 2,4,6,8,10,12,14
Overkill for 1st cycle..plus dbol for 7 weeks?? Not a great idea
Nolva from 0 mg per day up to 50 mg per day throughout the cycle. The tabs were 50 mg, and I broke 'em into quarters and every day I just took however much I felt I needed.

For PCT I ran Clomid and Proviron. Clomid at 10 mg/day and Proviron at 50 - 100 mg/day.Kinda weak imho
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I didn't experience any significant Estrogen side effects during the cycle -- I don't think I got any gyno. For the first 8 weeks or so I felt like a monster in the gym (and also my libido was through the roof =)).

Later on in the cycle from about week 8 - 14 I started to get some pretty bad acne all over my back and I kind of felt that my skin was all oily. This was probably the most annoying thing about the cycle. I think the Dbol was also quite toxic to me as I would get people telling me that my eyes looked a bit weird (like, my dad would make jokes that he thought I was smoking weed) also the Dbol seemed to jack me up to the point that I would constantly have a runny nose.

As far as gains go, I put on roughly 10 kgs (22 pounds) during the cycle and my strength improved alot. I was actually able to keep recording increases in my lifts for about 5 weeks after the cycle.


What would you have done differently?
How do I stop getting bad acne on my back? (anyone else experienced this?)

Acne was probably from the sust and d-bol...also I would have just run test c or e only at 500 mg's a week with dbol 1st 4 weeks at 40-50 mg's a week..congrats on your gains though...do a little more homework for next time....on a personal note sust at that dosage made me break out something fierce...thus I just don't use it at all.

[Rastapopolous]

yeah, I agree.. I think I definitely overdid it with 14 weeks or orals...

[*RAGE*]

1-14 sust if you cant get any test e or test c
1-4 dbol 50mg ed
8-16 winny 50mg ed if you can get the test e or test c if not run it till you start your pct 18 days out

[Rastapopolous]

Things I would have done differently?

3) Would have done a dbol kickstart and not ran it throughout the whole cycle

4) Clomid dosage was WAY TO LOW....10mg? First of all I never seen clomid in 10mg are you sure it wasn't nolva? Your PCT was weak you need both nolva and clomid.

Dosage should have been:

clomid: 100/50/50/50
nolva: 40/20/20/20

5) Should have done more research


How much of your gains did you keep? As for back acne, only real solution is going to the beach or using dawn dishwasher soap or getting acne topical cream of some sort.

I agree with you. I should have done more research regarding the Nolva and Clomid. I actually think I didn't do ANY research at all regarding the clomid dosage apart from reading about on Wikipedia and thinking that I didn't want to take too much ...

Gains; I was able to make improvements in my lifts for around a month after the cycle then I sort of plateaued and slowly saw the reps go down from workout to workout for about two weeks. About two weeks ago I decided to take a two week break from the gym (been full on since December). Sadly, I got the flu(cold?) during my break so I think I would have lost some of my gains from that... I'll see how it goes over the next couple of weeks as I resume my training.

[Rastapopolous]

Ive seen 10mg clomid tabs (ugl)

the box stated that it was made in cyprus

[thai-lan]

**** me, 14 weeks of orals, gonna get slated for that bro

two orals for 12-13 weeks , imagine that !!