disappointed so far with first test cycle . . .

[richtries]

Hey,

Just finished 5th week of following cycle;

1-12 Test e 500mg/wk
1-3 Superdrol 30mg/day
Finasteride 0.5mg/day

I gained nearly a stone in the first three weeks and the cycle was going well, but for the past two weeks since I stopped the superdrol my weight gain has stood still!? Diet is as follows;

9am protein shake
11am 5 egg whites, oatmeal, cottage cheese, fruit
2pm chicken breast, brown rice, veg
5pm 'same as 11am'
gym/PWO
8pm 250g lean mince, veg, sweet potato
12pm omlette

I know its not perfect but still think i should be growing off that, the things i am a little concerned about is the length of time between my last meal and first and I also struggle with water intake, could this really be effecting my gains alot?

I also started running nolva at 10mg per day after 4 weeks due to sensitive nips. My libido hasn't been what i thought it would be, and boners are not too solid, thought this was probably the finasteride, or could it be high estrogen? Cant find arimidex for love or money, don't trust research chems.

Any help much appreciated.

[jbm]

I think diet is lacking and test kicks 4 weeks onwards...

[Roshambo]

Yes, Diet is Def lacking. Test kicks in around week 5 to week 6. If you had to add up the amount of Protein that you are consuming daily. what number would you come up with?
Example if you weigh 200 lbs, you would need 250 to 400 g of protien daily to grow among other things.

[richtries]

thanks for repsonses guys, I grew off that diet whilst i was on the s/drol so don't see why its not working now!? I reckon by my calcs i'm getting between 250-300 grams of protein per day, but I would be open to any possible adjustments I could make to it. My gear is pharma grade so no probs there I don't think. I'll try up my protein and wait it out another week then.

[Roshambo]

How about your workouts? Are you sore after working out? are you constantly pushing yourself and changing up your workouts? Your body will adapt to just about anything you can throw at it, changing up how you workout can greatly improve your gains.

[richtries]

yeah change it up weekly, and yes my muscles feel like they've been battered with a mallet. Usually do 3 days a week, chest/tri's, back/bi's and legs/shoulders.

[The Deuce]

See there lies both of your problems brotha man... NOT ENOUGH TIME AT THE GYM.. you should be training ... 5 days per week... Chest/Back/Shoulder/Legs/Arms

Doing that will allow you to self adjust and target each and every muscle group indvidually and be able to hit your specific areas better...this is just a suggestion but if you are dedicated enough to inject a compound into your body you should be dedicated enough to go to the gym MORE THAN 3 TIMES PER WEEK !!... JMHO

Also... you NEED !!! To fix that diet... you have to bro.. I am not trying to pick on you or single you out.. but you are on CYCLE ... you should have a supreme DIET going.. nd what you have right now is NOT ENOUGH !! go to the DIET FORUM.. they will help ya out big time... they did for me.. well ONE DUDE IN PARTICULAR did for me..

[c-Z]

Agree with the deuce...... Focusing on one particular muscle group in a day is MUCH MUCH better..... On legs and shoulder day... Your body isn't sure where to start pumping the blood too.... legs or shoulders. A buddy of mine does that.... Legs/bis/tris in one day.... and he wonders why he doesn't get good pumps.... The blood is trying to flow to arms and legs.....

as for diet.... I'de say its lacking a tad..... I would definitely add something in besides a protein shake at wake up. Dude you like tuna? Can of tuna has just as much protein as a shake... not to mention its not a liquid.

[RANA]

See there lies both of your problems brotha man... NOT ENOUGH TIME AT THE GYM.. you should be training ... 5 days per week... Chest/Back/Shoulder/Legs/Arms

Doing that will allow you to self adjust and target each and every muscle group indvidually and be able to hit your specific areas better...this is just a suggestion but if you are dedicated enough to inject a compound into your body you should be dedicated enough to go to the gym MORE THAN 3 TIMES PER WEEK !!... JMHO

Also... you NEED !!! To fix that diet... you have to bro.. I am not trying to pick on you or single you out.. but you are on CYCLE ... you should have a supreme DIET going.. nd what you have right now is NOT ENOUGH !! go to the DIET FORUM.. they will help ya out big time... they did for me.. well ONE DUDE IN PARTICULAR did for me..

I agree^^^^
Your currenly on your cycle you should be giving everything you have on your workouts. This is the time to grow. Stay focused, 3 times in the is NOT enough.

You diet needs work, I did a similar cycle a while back, diet was not in check like now, it makes a big difference.

Agree with the deuce...... Focusing on one particular muscle group in a day is MUCH MUCH better..... On legs and shoulder day... Your body isn't sure where to start pumping the blood too.... legs or shoulders. A buddy of mine does that.... Legs/bis/tris in one day.... and he wonders why he doesn't get good pumps.... The blood is trying to flow to arms and legs.....

as for diet.... I'de say its lacking a tad..... I would definitely add something in besides a protein shake at wake up. Dude you like tuna? Can of tuna has just as much protein as a shake... not to mention its not a liquid.

I agree^^^^
Protein shakes are not the answer to meals unless you have no other choice. PWO is the best time but you need to get food in that body

[Steve.O]

wow... sort of couldnt believe the things uve just said. im not taking the piss or owt m8. but i believe a bit more effort is needed. I was dissapointed in your diet and you saying u only train 3 times a week. you should be ROARING! like a tiger and ready for some serious workouts off that gear.

Come on! you are not going to grow or get the full potential out of that cycle without some big improvements! i dont mean to be arsh but i kinda laughed to myself when i read it. please for your own benefit get stuck in and you will be rewarded!!

Look at the diet and workout section and do some tweaking. Good luck

[garbageman18]

def need to lift 5x a week, just a waste of money if your not eating and excercising correctly. Id have more fun setting the couple hundred bucks on fire then just letting the juice sit in my system and not take advantage of it. Add some running in to your routine too!!

[jimmyinkedup]

The foundation : diet / training / rest
the supplementation to a proper foundation : juice
Suppelmentation will NOT make up for a weak foundation.

[british bulldog 1]

try adding dbol to your cycle, will help a lot

[amcon]

The foundation : diet / training / rest
the supplementation to a proper foundation : juice
Suppelmentation will NOT make up for a weak foundation.

yep yep

[Hazard]

try adding dbol to your cycle, will help a lot

OK..... THAT sir..... does not help. He does NOT need Dbol!

He needs what the others have stated.... more food and a better routine. While i agree 3 days a week isn't enough..... my body requires 4..... i used to workout 5 days a week on and off cycle..... after years of training.... i found im making the best gains off 4 days a week. 3 however...... nah uh.... not enough..... all it means is you've got a bad split.

Regarding your weightgain while on Sdrol.... it could have been water weight. Now that your off the sdrol - you may have lost that water. The test should be starting to kick in..... play out the whole 12 weeks, up your caloric intake, and re-work that routine...... you'll see a difference.

~Haz~

[c-Z]

We are having a problem with his poor advice in another post.......
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=391330&page=2

[RANA]

yep yep

What would be the purpose 5-6 week into his 1st cycle?

[lovbyts]

What would be the purpose 5-6 week into his 1st cycle?

Because people like instant gratification.
Just like people get antibiotics and stop taking it half way through because they feel it's not working.

[Hazard]

We are having a problem with his poor advice in another post.......
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=391330&page=2

OH LORD......

~Haz~

[richtries]

Thanks for help guys, I'm well aware of the priorities, food then training then gear. I'm eating 5 meals of real food plus two protein shakes, eating every 3 hours, don't think i can physically consume anymore, but guess i'll try. I think the need for rest is understated but i'll try 4 times per week, chest/back/legs/shoulders and arms. I'm still holding a stone from the first three weeks, none of the weight appeared to be water weight but hey its my first cycle. Lets hope the 6th week is the one!

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

yea give it more time, 6 weeks youll start feeling it more.. you def gotta eat more though, find out your macros for every meal and play around with the #'s until you get something like 40/40/20 (pro/carbs/fat) worked wonders for my first cycle, keeping the carbs high def helped the most especially for pre workout energy... dont worry about fat gain, the muscle youll get is so worth it, its easy to cut out the fat, but this is the only time you have to take advantage of all that extra test in you.. dont let it go2 waste! eat eat eat eat eat

[Tigershark]

Eat eat eat. Don't wayste your cycle bro.

[bakie]

Eat eat eat. Don't wayste your cycle bro.

Agreed... It will pick up again, just make sure your 500 calories AT LEAST above your BMR, 1500 would be better. NO CRAP FOOD!

[bakie]

I don't know what a stoneweight is, and I am too LAZY to look it up. I checked my diet and started the STS workout system a month ago. I have put on 8 lbs of lean muscle NATURALLY! I have 6 meals a day and 2 protein shakes (whole milk, oats, protein, honey, pb) on top of that. My body fat has gone up .3%... DIET! It's hard for a month, but I am now to wear it's almost clock work.

[Pac Man]

agreed, diet sucks

[ninesecz]

We have seen what you are eating but how many calories and protein / carb /fat are you eating! If you want to gain weight, even on the sauce you need to eat! I was gaining a pound EOD and I dropped my calories 450per day and have not gained any weight in a week and a half!! The body is very tempermental so you need to first know your body!

[bakie]

You need to go figure out your BMR and put a diet of healthy proteins, fats and complex carbs together to fit the needs. If you don't don't that you are wasting your cycle. Blowing yourself up with water per say. It's not too late though, just get on it and good luck.

[doctorclaus]

try adding dbol to your cycle, will help a lot

your advice is worse than mine

[richtries]

for the past week i have trained 5 times and upped my cals, still no movement on the scales! has anyone found that there gains came more towards the end of their cycles? I'm clutching now . . .

[ghettoboyd]

umm....its gonna take some time bro,i would give it like a month before u say that its not working.

[Sauced_Up]

Regarding your weightgain while on Sdrol.... it could have been water weight. Now that your off the sdrol - you may have lost that water. The test should be starting to kick in..... play out the whole 12 weeks, up your caloric intake, and re-work that routine...... you'll see a difference.

~Haz~

S-Drol does not retain water...

To the OP: Diet and training are lacking big time!!!

[DSM4Life]

You just learned a expensive lesson. Next time post and listen when people say your not ready. They say that for a reason.

[Navy-boi-kai]

diet sucks way much bro. heres a rule of thumb if your not going to do your macros. 2 chicken breat and a can of tuna a day for sure no less. make you a cup with 3-4 scoops of proteins sip on it all day long. Taht should help your protein intake around the clock. Not the best but if you nor goign to diet atleast make what you got left in you cycle worth while.

[randym2690]

hey simple way if you dk your bodyfat activitiy level rmr an all that shit is to take 18-19 and mulptiply it by your weight that's how many cals you should eat a day
then take your total cals multply by .4 that will give you cals for protien an carbs divide that by 4 and you should get your protien an carbs in grams a day
then multiply .2 by your total cals then divide that number by 9 and you get grams of fat.

[chuckt12345]

IMO test only is overrated even as a first cycle. Your diet/training etc has to be perfect for almost half the results as say a test/deca or tren cycle that is half asssed. People expect this major transfromation from it and when they dont get it the question their diet/training/gear. Not saying you cant gain 20lbs of muscle and be r ipped but i feel thats on the high end of the scale.

[DSM4Life]

IMO test only is overrated even as a first cycle. Your diet/training etc has to be perfect for almost half the results as say a test/deca or tren cycle that is half asssed. People expect this major transfromation from it and when they dont get it the question their diet/training/gear. Not saying you cant gain 20lbs of muscle and be r ipped but i feel thats on the high end of the scale.

Care to explain why ?

[Navy-boi-kai]

it really depends on the person

[dblbass128]

Blocking the conversion of Test to DHT with Fin will most likely slow your results down. Ive heard few people discussing this before.

But **** you gotta keep your chair right?

[chuckt12345]

Care to explain why ?

just think its a little more hyped up as far as potential gains/results compared to actual gains/results

[DSM4Life]

just think its a little more hyped up as far as potential gains/results compared to actual gains/results

So then you agree with a stack before you ever tried gear ?
So follow my example:
1)You take test e and dbol first cycle.
2)You get nasty sides.


3)Which one caused the sides ?