Need some help....

[Chris73]

Im 5/10 235lbs. and have a lot of mass, I am fixing to start with Winn-50, Clen, and Var-10... To try and get weight off, increase my strength, and get the cut-up look. I do have the gut that I really want to lose. What is the best way to take this summer stack, and what amounts daily should i take of each. I am new to all this, I have always worked out, but never used... I dont really want to bulk up to much, just want to get leaner, stronger, and see where I can go... Also, one finall questionsl. How long should this cycle last? And P.S. these are all oral (pill form). Thanks, Chris

[CptAmericaX]

diet sections, and welcome to the forums blah blah blah. Why dont you research before you post.

[CptAmericaX]

you should be at 12-15% body fat before you even consider a cycle

[TractionIssues]

That is not a good cycle, and before you touch any steroids there is much you need to learn. Do you know about PCT? And how is your diet?

[c-Z]

Smells like a cycle from banner up above.

[CptAmericaX]

Smells like a cycle from banner up above.

lmfao and congrats on 1k posts cz

[Big]

Smells like a cycle from banner up above.

exactly.

[c-Z]

lmfao and congrats on 1k posts cz

Oh damn didnt even notice. LMAO thanks

[Chris73]

so a bunch of smart remarks and no help.... I thought that was the point of this was to get help..... thanks

[Big]

age?
body fat%?
years training?

[Chris73]

age?
body fat%?
years training?

age 36, 5'10 235lbs. 25% body fat. lifted on and off all my life... have not done much lifting in the last 5 years. My goal was to lose some of the mass i have and lose the gut and tone up what I already have and also gain some size and strenght. Now, what I saw on a web site for Sales of product was, a summer pack (clen, var 10, and Winn 50) they were claiming a good stack to tone, gain some strength, and lose the fat, is this not true? I will ask you, what would you recomend i do... if I am on the wrong place to ask these questions, please direct me. With thanks, chris

[TractionIssues]

First of all those are not steroids. Second, I asked you what your diet looked like. Training and diet is what makes you lose fat, not steroids. I also asked if you knew about PCT, because there are things you need to know before you even touch steroids, you cant just go on a site, order some random stuff and BAM your jacked. I will help you, but you need to answer our questions.

[Big]

from what I understand those are just vitamins and herbs. you could make great gains by first tweaking your diet and possibly altering your training, first I would look in the appropriate sections and make sure those are squared away.

[Chris73]

Bigs, Is vanazolol, and Anavar a good combination to take oraly for some strenght gains as well as fat burning?

[Big]

Bigs, Is vanazolol, and Anavar a good combination to take oraly for some strenght gains as well as fat burning?

Not really. Anavar might help you, but not till you drop some of your bf%.

[c-Z]

Yeah definitely try to drop that bf % down naturally.... Steroids aren't magic beans

[Chris73]

what are the appropiate places.... are you telling that this web site is a fake? and these are not what they are advertising....? Im not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to understand....

[Chris73]

all I have heard all my life is that steroids are JUST that...magic.... what is good for getting the BF% down, Diet and????????

[Big]

diet and cardio, works every time.

[gymnerd]

Bigs, Is vanazolol, and Anavar a good combination to take oraly for some strenght gains as well as fat burning?

Bro, like everyone is saying you cant just buy some random steroids and throw them down the hatch and get shredded doesn't work that way. The stuff you are talking about is NOT aas if you still want them then by all means get them just realize what you are ordering.

You should get back in the gym for a couple of years build up a base after 5yrs off you will be starting all over again. Drop that BF down to about 15% or below then you can start researching your first cycle btw steroids do not burn fat they only allow you to diet way down below your maintenance calories without loosing muscle and too much strength. Like everyone has said research more, AAS will not do the work for you it will require even MORE dedication and commitment.

[c-Z]

what are the appropiate places.... are you telling that this web site is a fake? and these are not what they are advertising....? Im not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to understand....

website sells supplements.

all I have heard all my life is that steroids are JUST that...magic.... what is good for getting the BF% down, Diet and????????

Whoever told you that is an idiot. And should be shot.... Speaking nicely. They aren't magical in any way. You don't just pop a needle in your ass and boom loose 40 lbs off at and gain 50 lbs of muscle.

Without a proper diet you will become nothing. What you eat is what you will become. You eat sh*t you look like sh*t.

Pros and bodybuilders and crap don't just get to where they are eating mc d's all day. Their diets are extremely strict. There is good food and bad food.

[Chris73]

Thank you for taking the time to say all that. I guess i was just too gullable.... Most want take the time to say all you did, I appreciate that you did.... I did cancel that order, I guess everyone has had a good time laughing at the idiot...(or bumbass). thanks again.