Starting Tomorrow!!!

[amateur88]

Hey guys,
just thought id let you know i start my cycle tomorrow! Cannot wait, got my 30ml test e (500mg/wk, 250mg 2 times a week for 14 weeks) and my dbols (30mg/day for 4 weeks). All pct stuff to hand ready (nolva,clomid and hcg although probably wont use hcg as advised)! Am stoked! Diet is in check, but im sure one of the professionals can critisise it! Been hammering the cardio aswell. Will be posting in the progress threads and keep you all updated! Am slightly nervous about first jab but im sure all will be ok! will keep you updated!

[Lightsout2184]

have fun

[amateur88]

thanks bro, am excited tbh. any tips on first injection? my preference is quads! have checked s p o t i n j e c t i o n s .com, but any ritulas u guys use? also my test is in ampules, and different ways of opening them?

[Lightsout2184]

i prefer glutes but quads work. for the first shot my advice would be just do it. most my friends take forever on their first one and afterwards they all say that was it.

[T-MOS]

there are several ways to open amps

1. take a metal file and score the neck all the way around, wrap in towel, then snap neck

2. put the cap of a pen or sharpie over the top and snap it off

I prefer #1

[amateur88]

i take it the top will just pop off T-Mos? And as for the injection, obviously its virgin muscle, just a scratch and some soreness? ive got 23 and 21g pins, can draw and jab with same pin if im drawing from ampule yea?

[GrandmasterSpank]

Good luck bro, here's a copy-paste of a post I put on a similar thread a while back, with a few updates...

Here's a run down of the exact procedure I used....

1. Always use a clean, organised, and sterile set-up.
2. Use a 23G 1 1/2 Inch needle for Gluteal Injections.
3. Use a 23-25G 1 - 1 1/4 Inch needle for Quad & Deltoid Injections.
4. Warm the Ampoule in 'hot' water for few mins prior to injection.
5. Score the neck of the Ampoule with a metal file, to ease opening.
6. Use one needle to draw the oil into the syringe & a 2nd needle to inject.
7. Swab chosen injection area with an Alcohol wipe.
8. Inject area at a 90 degree angle. You can do this fast or slow depending on preference,- just be steady handed i.e. don't 'jiggle' the needle about.
9. Aspirate!!! - Pull back plunger approx ¼ ml,- you should see a few transparent bubbles. (But abort the jab if blood is drawn into the syringe!!!)
10. Inject 'very slowly',- the slower the better. 10-20 secs per ml.
11. Wait 10 secs before removing needle, and at the exact same angle it went in.
12. Swab area with alcohol wipe.
13. Massage area with palm of your hand mildly for about 30 secs or so.
14. Apply a heat pad / Hot Water Bottle.
15. Exercise soon after to increase blood flow to the area.

[GrandmasterSpank]

...Also, relax the muscle as much as possible, and do your best not to flinch. It can be hard the first few times when your new to it.

[amateur88]

sweet! thanks for that bro! just what i was looking for. so i should go with 23g pins? the 21's look like harpoons imho! lol

[Lightsout2184]

sweet! thanks for that bro! just what i was looking for. so i should go with 23g pins? the 21's look like harpoons imho! lol

yeah 23g works great for me. 21 will work but they are thick

[JiGGaMaN]

sweet! thanks for that bro! just what i was looking for. so i should go with 23g pins? the 21's look like harpoons imho! lol

25's my man. big difference between 23 and 25. its worth it.

[amateur88]

ok, not got any 25's at mo, will have to get some. will use 23's for now. what are 21's used for then? elephants? lol

[T-MOS]

ok, not got any 25's at mo, will have to get some. will use 23's for now. what are 21's used for then? elephants? lol

you can use the 21g to draw if you want ,then switch to a fresh 23g or 25g to shoot

Larger needles are usually used to hit veins to start IV's i believe

[c-Z]

First times a little nerve racking. Just stay calm.... Keep the muscle relaxed you will be fine.....

[amateur88]

hi guys. just thought id update u as promised. pinned about 15 mins ago, was nervous as hell because i had bad dreams about it!!! lol

Anyway, did the usual routine, snapped off top of ampule, drew out the oil, swabbed the area with an alcohol wipe, braced myself and...... little scratch, slid in like butter, slight twitch from my leg but went in fine, aspirtated, few little bubbles, in she goes no problem. no pain, no redness so alls good i guess???? when does the pain start? lol

[T-MOS]

Welcome to the Dark Side !!!

[Chopperbox]

I only use 25g not a fan of 23, leaves marks that are more visible. I usually use 23g by 1 inch, i do delts only and i alternate them every other week.
By the way when i had amps i also warmed them up and i used at 21g filter needle you can get that filters out glass fragments that might be in the solution after cracking the top off. If you dont have the filter needle look at the solution over the light to see if there is any glass in it.
Congrats on the new cycle! I cannont wait to start mine in July!!!

[thai-lan]

I think quads are the best spot to pin for twice a week also they are fun !! I have used 25g 1inch needles for my quads and they were pain free ! warm the oil in hot water before you open the amp. use different needles to draw and to pin . Good luck buddy

[amateur88]

thanks for the advice guys! still no pain, soreness or acheing at all! am quite surprised! All went so well, me worrying about it was silly! lol. why do u use one pin to draw and one to shoot? is it because of the possibility of glass in it etc? i cant wait till thursday for my next jab! sad eh? but more importantly i cant wait till i start seeing the results!!!

also spreading dbols out through the day as suggested. drinking a sh!t load of water and keeping diet as clean as i can, am prepping all my food at home to take to work etc. So far am loving it! still early days and the best is yet to come!!!!

[amateur88]

got a bit of discomfort now, feels like someones given me a dead leg although its not to that degree. no redness or anything though. you think its just a virgin muscle thing? cant wait till thursday for my next one! lol

[amateur88]

i did my second injection earlier tonight! same routine, no problems as such except i found it hard to push the oil in tonight for some reason, had to push real hard! other than that another sucessful jab, no hitting veins or nerves, aspirated as normal and a lil bubble popped in once all was done removed the needle and i bled a bit more than last time but its all good! am pleased!
thats 4 days in so far and no noticable water gains from dbol yet but i am drinking about 20 500ml bottles of water a day! pissing every 5 mins! lol When should i start seeing the strength gains from the dbol? as for the test, cannot wait till that kicks in, in about 3/4 weeks time! still excited!

[chuckt12345]

Whooa settle down on that water cowboy

[amateur88]

i was advised to drink loads to slow down the water retention! lol am i drinking to much then?

[T-MOS]

i did my second injection earlier tonight! same routine, no problems as such except i found it hard to push the oil in tonight for some reason, had to push real hard! other than that another sucessful jab, no hitting veins or nerves, aspirated as normal and a lil bubble popped in once all was done removed the needle and i bled a bit more than last time but its all good! am pleased!
thats 4 days in so far and no noticable water gains from dbol yet but i am drinking about 20 500ml bottles of water a day! pissing every 5 mins! lol When should i start seeing the strength gains from the dbol? as for the test, cannot wait till that kicks in, in about 3/4 weeks time! still excited!

are you injecting in the same location as before or a different site?

Dbol is gonna take about 10 days to two weeks to really kick in

drawing with one pin and shooting with another is because each time you poke the needle it gets dull, so its good to inject with a sharp new needle for less pain. you don't have to do this, but it helps

[amateur88]

first injection was in my right quad, second was in my left quad, next one will be right quad etc. What u think bout my water intake T-Mos? to much?

[T-MOS]

there is a fine line between enough water and TOO much, each person is different. You want enough to keep you flushed out, but not too much that you are losing all your electrolytes .

gallon to a gallon and a half a day should be plenty

At the International Sports Medicine Institute, we have a formula for daily water intake: 1/2 ounce per pound of body weight if you're not active (that's ten eight-ounce glasses if you weigh 160 pounds), and 2/3 ounce per pound if you're athletic (13 to 14 glasses a day, at the same weight).

[aestheticmind]

try glutes! they hurt even less than quads, and i haven't bled once!

[T-MOS]

Water intoxication (also known as 'hyper-hydration' or water poisoning) is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water.[1] Normal, healthy (both physically and nutritionally) individuals have little to worry about accidentally consuming too much water. Nearly all deaths related to water intoxication in normal individuals have resulted either from water drinking contests, in which individuals attempt to consume more than 10 liters (2.2 imp gal; 2.6 U.S. gal) of water over the course of just a few minutes, or long bouts of intensive exercise during which electrolytes are not properly replenished, yet massive amounts of fluid are still consumed.

[amateur88]

i have no pain from injecting, just a little bit of soreness a few days later! glutes is gonna be tricky imho!

so im over doing the water, i am pissing every 15 mins or so and its basically just water coming out, no colour! being over cautious! lol

[amateur88]

cant wait till next jab! Cant wait till i start blowing up to! if only you could fast forward time lol. I hear aromasin is good for keeping down bloat to but cant find it in uk as has already been said in another thread!

[chuckt12345]

i have no pain from injecting, just a little bit of soreness a few days later! glutes is gonna be tricky imho!

so im over doing the water, i am pissing every 15 mins or so and its basically just water coming out, no colour! being over cautious! lol

ha, id say so, i mean your not tryin to pass a piss test huh? Thats in the neighborhood of 3 gallons. I try to get around a gallon a day if im on cycle.

[amateur88]

lol, that sounds like alot! i dont work in old measurements!!!

[amateur88]

Third injection this morning, same routine, back in the right quad again, no real problems, inserted first time and felt mega pain so must have hit nerve or something, pulled it out and relocated, no probs, straight in, aspirated, plunge, all done! alls good so far. still no major water gains from dbol, although im only 7 days in! still training hard, having 2 days off a week to grow lol. so alls good!

[xo3et]

This is a great thread covering lots of info for first time jabs.

Good luck withe the cycle amatur88

[lovbyts]

Sounds like you are having to much fun LOL
I still get almost as nervous as I did my first time but using 25 sure helps a LOT. I love doing the SLOW injection anyways, almost zero discomfort the following days and absolutely none on injection. 99% of the time I cant even feel the injection but I still hate needles.

I also do quads, I just cant see trying to reach my ass, it's not a natural position. I do mine sitting down and just pin.

Your first cycles looks like my 2nd one. I think you really should have done a Test E only but of course you are trying to get maximum results and at least you didn't OVER do it. LOL

Have fun and keep us posted.

[amateur88]

thnx for ur comments guys! I was looking into test only cycle but decided to add the dbol! i have done a sh!tload of research, before i came on here i was reading william llewellyns Anabolics book everyday for about 8 months, then just reading every sticky and new thread on here! u pick up so much info its unreal! hopefully other new guys will read this

Anyway, back to the original topic! lol. Still no pin or soreness, Dbol should start showing through in 2/3 days so am looking forward to the strength gains from that! Have cut down my water intake as suggested by the guys on here but still drinking enough to limit water retention/bloat. As for the test, well i cant wait! lol. Anyways, will keep you all updated!

[Tigershark]

Enjoy the ride.

[amateur88]

soz im te with my update, laptop has been at my mates house

Anyways, 2 jabs to update you on! The 4th one (on thursday) was in the left quad, no problems once again, jabbed, aspirated, in popped the little bubble, and injected, no problems at all, although had more soreness than usual!

5th jab was this morning, same as all the other days really, no real changes, same routine. No blood at all once i pulled the needle out and absolutely no pain or soreness! Damn im getting good at this! lol j/k!

Dbol is just starting to kick in! strength gains are noticeable, now thats working im training mega mega hard!!! am on 1st day of week 3 now, just waiting for the test to kick in about week 4/5 The best bits still to come!

[amateur88]

Latest update, Jab 6 was on thursday night, no problems again, same routine as before. This time i was close to a nerve and went through a vein. no blood on aspirating but as i injected it could feel nerve pain and my leg was twitching! LOL when i pulled needle out there was more blood than normal. the following day there was no pain or soreness though! The Dbol is working nicely. Have had my first signs of gyno so have popped some nolva, seems to be nearly gone now! So far so good! a week or so until the main fun begins!

[JiGGaMaN]

you can use the 21g to draw if you want ,then switch to a fresh 23g or 25g to shoot

Larger needles are usually used to hit veins to start IV's i believe

no no no. dont be silly. the larger needles are used for intramuscular injections in oil solutions that just wont flow worth a damn through anything close to a 25g. ive experienced gear like this before (sust ready-jects 21g) and it takes forever. a friend had to have a IM injection that used coconut oil base and took about a minute to shoot 1cc through 21g. a lot of pharmaceutical oil based injectables are also like this (its cheaper to make a thicker oil i guess), but they are becoming obsolete slowly but surely.