Cycling Androgel?

[Priapism]

Let me say this before you all do: Androgel isnt strong enough to do anything.

There, we got that out of the way.

That being said, Ive never done steroids of any kind, but was pretty much blown away by my body's reaction to androgel, which I took just to boost me up to normal "T" levels. I mean 3 days and I saw visual changes and weight increases in my workouts. Family members even commented that I looked bigger after a week and a half - grand total of 3 or 4 workouts.

So im wondering. Given that Androgel is usually for Hormone Replacement Therapy which is ongoing - and neverending - would it maybe be "fuN" or "interesting" or possibly beneficial for me to use it as a periodic "boost" instead?

The stuff tends to reduce effectiveness as you approach 6 weeks because estrogen starts to kick in, but I wouldnt do it that long. Maybe 3-5 weeks then stop.

I just can't believe the gains (admittedly probably nothing like you guys but plenty enough for me to really kick the shit out of myself at the gym and be shocked by mirrors) ...

Thanks.

-P-

[fozy]

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[marcus300]

Let me say this before you all do: Androgel isnt strong enough to do anything.

There, we got that out of the way.

That being said, Ive never done steroids of any kind, but was pretty much blown away by my body's reaction to androgel, which I took just to boost me up to normal "T" levels. I mean 3 days and I saw visual changes and weight increases in my workouts. Family members even commented that I looked bigger after a week and a half - grand total of 3 or 4 workouts.

So im wondering. Given that Androgel is usually for Hormone Replacement Therapy which is ongoing - and neverending - would it maybe be "fuN" or "interesting" or possibly beneficial for me to use it as a periodic "boost" instead?

The stuff tends to reduce effectiveness as you approach 6 weeks because estrogen starts to kick in, but I wouldnt do it that long. Maybe 3-5 weeks then stop.

I just can't believe the gains (admittedly probably nothing like you guys but plenty enough for me to really kick the shit out of myself at the gym and be shocked by mirrors) ...

Thanks.

-P-

It wasn't androgel which give you some gains unless you had completely no test what so ever.

[956Vette]

my body's reaction to androgel, which I took just to boost me up to normal "T" levels.

Do you have some blood work #s? Certainly there are wonderful experiences out there going from a hypogonadal state.... Interested to know if you have any numbers to reference

[JiGGaMaN]

thats pretty crazy. how much are you using per day? transdermal creams have higher conversion to DHT, so it technically has more androgenic activity mg/mg compared to injectable test.

[ninesecz]

Just be careful using "T" When talking about test levels! Your "t" Levels are what they check in Aids Patients! It is totally different than Test levels. Just remember that cause if you walk in nd tell your doctor you want your T levels checked he is going to thin you have Aids

[JiGGaMaN]

Just be careful using "T" When talking about test levels! Your "t" Levels are what they check in Aids Patients! It is totally different than Test levels. Just remember that cause if you walk in nd tell your doctor you want your T levels checked he is going to thin you have Aids

i could see the possibility of confusing T-cells with testosterone, but its generally marked as T levels on bloodwork.

[ninesecz]

I know the 1st time I asked my doctor to have my T levels checked when I was in Las vegas Still, He looked at me and said " I did not know you had HIV?"

[Priapism]

Well I was at 435 total testosterone level. Not dramatically low, but I believe most of my life (teens through my 20's) I was in the extremely high range - 800 to 900's. So the dip down to 435 was pretty sobering for me. Lost all zest for life, and all that goes along with decrease in "T".

My body reacts strongly to anything I put in it. No matter what it is. I respond VERY well to everything. Usually much more than anyone I know. I took a half dose of Viagra once and spent the next 5 days pounding the heck out of someone like a rabid Bull. Its supposed to wear out in 24 hours....

Anyways - yes - it is the gel that's causing this for me. Im actually using Testogel. Its visually noticeable and I was almost immediately doing 10-15lbs over my normal max weight on all my exercises. All of them. An injured shoulder that has been in pain for 6+ months now simply doesn't hurt at all anymore. Its gone. Its the testogel.

Im moreso interested in the logic and science here. For me - (For me!) - this stuff is like doing an injection cycle. I dont know why. Doesn't matter. But I dont want to chemically castrate myself. So logically - I would do what ... like 3-5 weeks, enjoy the gains, then chill for a month or two?

I dont want to turn off my own testosterone production. Thats what Id like to avoid.

-P-

[fozy]

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[Priapism]

Is gel going to shut me down, given the criteria I've mentioned repeatedly above? Only using it for a few weeks, rather than months?

-P-

[956Vette]

Is gel going to shut me down, given the criteria I've mentioned repeatedly above? Only using it for a few weeks, rather than months?

-P-

Yes sir, it will effect your negative feedback loop. And if you use more you will likely experiences oily skin and side effects from the gel route

[ninesecz]

anything lke that could shut you down ! Some might take 1 week some may take 4-6 weeks depends who you are

[Priapism]

And why can't I just stop taking it and let my own testosterone kick in afterwards? This isnt making any sense to me...

[fozy]

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[ninesecz]

"And why can't I just stop taking it and let my own testosterone kick in afterwards? This isnt making any sense to me..."

Listen here is the reader digest version,

when you take testosterone into your body your brain tells your body " I already have enough testosterone in my body therefore I don't have to make anymore"

So your body shuts down your natural production because you have put into your body at least as much or more then it was going to make.

now......how long it takes for androgel to shut you down, no one can give you a exact number of weeks but it will shut you down.

thats why we take clomid/tamox post cycle. These drugs block estrogen since estrogen is a byproduct of testosterone. When you eliminate estrogen your brain tells your body to up the testosterone to reach normal estrogen levels hence you speed up recovery time.

you can just stop and with androgell you will recover eventually everything will kick back in naturally ( for most people) But during this waiting perioid your body is going to be deprived of natural testosterone which will put you worse off then before you started.

get me ?

This is untru!! Sometimes your body never kicks back in and starts making test again! It is not good information to tell people this My natty test production is almost nothing and never came back after stopping a cycoe without proper PCT

[fozy]

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[ninesecz]

that's RARE.........I have one of the top endos in the country you are a rare breed.

Do you see a endo ? what are your levels now ? What were your levels BEFORE your cycle? what did you cycle and how far after did you get your blood levels checked ? Are you on HRT and or clomif/tamox.

I have blood work 6 months after using decca that put my levels below 100. 4 months on tamoxifin I was back to 300-400 range. I bet decca was in your cycle before you had your levels checked...?

Before I had Kids I asked him on more then one occasion before I went on HRT if It could suppress me forever and every time he told me the chances were slim to none he couldn't bring nat production back, Sure enough when I stopped and went on clomiphene my girl got pregnant 2x. He did have me bank sperm before I went on but he said it was a precausion in case I was one the rare occurrences nat production didn't get back.

we are talking about the norm here not rare occurrences

did you notice I said (for most people) in the post. Mine never came back over 300 but I never got blood levels checked before. I never felt any different so I have to suspect the 300 range was always my "nat" levels

No Deca , Never touched the stuff! my levels used to be well above average (1300+ ) After almost 2 years after doing a small cycle of tren my levels wer 263. So to me that is pretty much completely shut down. I am now on TRT

[fozy]

"No Deca , Never touched the stuff! my levels used to be well above average (1300+ ) After almost 2 years after doing a small cycle of tren my levels wer 263. So to me that is pretty much completely shut down. I am now on TRT"


TREN......... There is your culprit. These are very simliar chemically. I will never touch a 19Nor again even on HRT.

"Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone."

decca Tren...same shit different pile ! !