Pro Hormone = Steroids?

[GuybrushThreepwod]

So my questions is about pro hormones vs. steroids. My understanding is that pro hormones such as Spawn or Jacked are really just legal steroids. Do the same rules apply as far as training is concerned? Should I work out naturally for at least a year before using PH the same way as I should with AAS? or can PH be used to enhance my body in preparation for the "real" AAS? Thanks everyone!

[sizerp]

I wouldn't waste my time to be honest. They are pretty harsh on the liver, and include some of the same sides as AAS. (Hair loss, acne, etc.). However, yes they are basically OTC steroids. Some will shut you down worse than others.

[GuybrushThreepwod]

So... Better to just wait? Sigh. Waiting sucks I have to say!

[CaliPhotog]

Yes, most are steroids however Jacked is not a PH or a Steroid. Jacked is just a pre-wo supplement with Beta A, Caffine, ect. I am actually a fan of certain PHs, however everybody responds different to all the componds. The only way to know is to try them out... BUT you MUST do a ton of research on them all before you jump into it. Most will require an actuall PCT with SERMs and you need to have all the necissary support supplements to go with. Not something to rush in to.

[TITANIUM]

I wouldn't waste my time to be honest. They are pretty harsh on the liver, and include some of the same sides as AAS. (Hair loss, acne, etc.). However, yes they are basically OTC steroids. Some will shut you down worse than others.

Agreed.

I can't keep up on all the PH that's OTC anymore.

FDA will shut them down soon enough.

T

[sizerp]

So... Better to just wait? Sigh. Waiting sucks I have to say!

The choice is yours, I don't know your age or training experience.

I still think AAS > PHs. Why do a PH and gain 10lbs or something, when you could gain twice that with Test?

[GuybrushThreepwod]

I just have no AAS sources. PH is easy to get. And I've only been at this for a couple months. If using PH is safe for my limited experience, I might jump on board. If it is detrimental to my long term gains or health in any way, I'll just hold off until I'm ready for Test.

Jacked is not a PH?
http://www.planetarynutrition.com/Ja...t_p/jacked.htm

[sizerp]

I would recommend H-drol by CEL for a first time PH then, Guybrush Threepwood.

[CaliPhotog]

Oooops sorry! Looks like there is another "Jacked" now. There is also. Jacked pre-wo supplement. That definatly IS a SPAWN clone! Tren and Epistane stack. However, no enough Epistane for my taste and I wouldn't go over 3 caps cause I wouldn't want more than 90mg of Tren. That IS a steroid. Lol. Sorry. Unless you are ready for acne, testicular atrophy, and agression stay away from this! ...or inform yourself and know what support supplements and PCT to run. Don't let the legality fool you, this stuff is no joke!

[GuybrushThreepwod]

... know what support supplements and PCT to run. Don't let the legality fool you, this stuff is no joke!

PCT, liver support, etc... for sure! I was assuming that it falls in the same category as steroids that's why I was concerned about timing. Is it best to wait and have a good solid natural base before using PH the same as it is with AAS? This is my main concern.

[sizerp]

PCT, liver support, etc... for sure! I was assuming that it falls in the same category as steroids that's why I was concerned about timing. Is it best to wait and have a good solid natural base before using PH the same as it is with AAS? This is my main concern.

I think so. It may give stretch marks etc if you rush into it. Train for at least 6 months natty is what I suggest.

[premedreject]

Most people who do PH, do it because they can't find real gear.

PH is far from safe. You will melt your liver, if you don't do your research on how to cycle it properly.

[marcus300]

Ive tried M-drol a couple of months ago because i heard remarkable things about it, cant say it was anything like AAS but not bad at all.

[RIPSpawn]

For an awsome prohormone I would recommend Epivol by Chaparral Labs. Best PH money can buy.

As far as being ready, well it's gonna be like taking steroids. I just finished a bottle of Spawn today and I am totally shut down. I seriously cannot get a hard-on so I can do my daily jerk off routine tonight.

[Okinawa_Power]

I wouldn't waste my time to be honest. They are pretty harsh on the liver, and include some of the same sides as AAS. (Hair loss, acne, etc.). However, yes they are basically OTC steroids. Some will shut you down worse than others.

Spawn has very few sides......I have run an 8 week cycle of it and the only thing that it gave me was sweats......I gained over 15lbs on it and my strenth went through the roof......Those of us that can't get "real" steroid have no choice but to run what is offered.......

[Okinawa_Power]

For an awsome prohormone I would recommend Epivol by Chaparral Labs. Best PH money can buy.

As far as being ready, well it's gonna be like taking steroids. I just finished a bottle of Spawn today and I am totally shut down. I seriously cannot get a hard-on so I can do my daily jerk off routine tonight.

LMFAO!!!!!! Your mother told you what would happen if you did that everyday!!!!!!!!!!! You may be shut down, however it is your BP that affects being able to get a hard on, not your test levels.......

[ghettoboyd]

LMFAO!!!!!! Your mother told you what would happen if you did that everyday!!!!!!!!!!! You may be shut down, however it is your BP that affects being able to get a hard on, not your test levels.......

i dont belive thats true.....theres alot of peeps on hrt for ed related probs.....the test seems to help with erections....

[ghettoboyd]

PCT, liver support, etc... for sure! I was assuming that it falls in the same category as steroids that's why I was concerned about timing. Is it best to wait and have a good solid natural base before using PH the same as it is with AAS? This is my main concern.

yes bro it is obviously better to have a good foundation of muscle before trying to use any compond....the results will just be better imho.

[GuybrushThreepwod]

Thanks for the tips guys. I think I'll stay natural for now and re-think this 6 months down the road.

[FlyingIllini]

I am on HRT. The thing is the pharmacy over filled my script.

I am thinking of doing 10 weeks of test c @ 400 mg/wk along with the PH Bold @ 800 mg/day. It seems like it could be a good plan for me (no AAS or PH history).