my test-e/mast/tren/winny cycle ????

[sfour_tay]

here is my next proposed cycle.


wk1-12 test e 500mg a wk
wk1-12 mast 75mg ed
wk4-10 tren ace 50-75 mged
wk 8-14 winny 50mg ed
wk 5-14 hcg 500 ius a wk

pct with nolva


im looking into using caber and maybe finastrand for the tren and mast.

what doses would you guys recommend??

goal is to put on about 10-15 lbs of lean muscle and keep it.

stats

22
200
5'11
2 cycles under my belt. sust and dbol. and an test e and eq
bf 9-12

let me know what you guys think. thanks

[DS21]

I think that is alot of compounds for a 3rd cycle. Why use masterone and winny at the same time????

I would also look into a better pct, maybe add aromasin with your nolva.

[sfour_tay]

ive got some areomasin on had so ill throw that in.

as far as running the winny and mast together i want to get shredded. i figuered with cardio, clean diet and mast and winny i could obtain my goals.

is it not a good idea ot run them together? if so y? not saying your wrong i just dont know.

i know its alot of compounds but im not going over board on dosage. i may cut the tren out, but im not sure. i dont liek the fact that people report shortness of breath and loss of endurance while on it. cuz i love cardio.

keep them coming guys thanks

also if any one has a better sugestion on a cycle that will help me reach my goals then please feel free to share.

thanks
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[D7M]

what were your previous 2 cycles?

No offense, bro, but you're 22....you dont' need all those drugs. no way.

you want to gain 10-15lbs?

I'm sorry, but that can be done if you know how to diet and train.

[thorshammer65]

hello people, im completely new to this site and even the thought of taking steriods, heres the deal, im 6'3" 340lbs, i got my bench up to 485lbs and have been stuck for a good 6 months, im turning 23 in Novemeber and i have never taking any supplemnets ever, not even protein shakes, i ve looked up some differen stuff and i am pretty confused, wandering is someone can lead me into the right direction, my main purpose is to lose my stomach

[DS21]

ive got some areomasin on had so ill throw that in.

as far as running the winny and mast together i want to get shredded. i figuered with cardio, clean diet and mast and winny i could obtain my goals.

is it not a good idea ot run them together? if so y? not saying your wrong i just dont know.

i know its alot of compounds but im not going over board on dosage. i may cut the tren out, but im not sure. i dont liek the fact that people report shortness of breath and loss of endurance while on it. cuz i love cardio.

keep them coming guys thanks

also if any one has a better sugestion on a cycle that will help me reach my goals then please feel free to share.

thanks
E

The way I look at winny and masterone is they serve as the same purpose. They are both DHT compounds, I'm not saying you can't run them together, but I just don't see a point. I think you worded it in your post, with good diet and cardio you will get shreded, and that is what will always determine how lean you get.

[D7M]

hello people, im completely new to this site and even the thought of taking steriods, heres the deal, im 6'3" 340lbs, i got my bench up to 485lbs and have been stuck for a good 6 months, im turning 23 in Novemeber and i have never taking any supplemnets ever, not even protein shakes, i ve looked up some differen stuff and i am pretty confused, wandering is someone can lead me into the right direction, my main purpose is to lose my stomach

welcome.

please start your own thread so we can help you.

[RANA]

I think that is alot of compounds for a 3rd cycle. Why use masterone and winny at the same time????

I would also look into a better pct, maybe add aromasin with your nolva.

Agree ^^^^
Save either the Mast and/or the winny for a future cycle. I think its over kill for you 3rd cycle. When did you do your previous cycle?
You PCT needs a lot of work, what is your dosage, for how long and where is the clomid?
What is your bf% 9-12% is a big difference

[Aizen Sosuke]

hello people, im completely new to this site and even the thought of taking steriods, heres the deal, im 6'3" 340lbs, i got my bench up to 485lbs and have been stuck for a good 6 months, im turning 23 in Novemeber and i have never taking any supplemnets ever, not even protein shakes, i ve looked up some differen stuff and i am pretty confused, wandering is someone can lead me into the right direction, my main purpose is to lose my stomach

to the OP drop the tren and winny. Test and masteron should be enough to get your results given you know how to eat and train. Also your PCT is kinda weak with just nolvadex. Run the HCG throught PCTs first two weeks and throw an AI in there as well. Also if you haven't bought anything yet switch the test e for prop since you are willing to inject daily, might as well use two short esters and pin them together.

[sfour_tay]

ok lets try this again with a few adjustments

wk1-12 test e 500mg a wk
wk1-12 mast 75mg ed or 150mg eod ( if you can run mast eod, still researching )
and possible throw in 50-75mg of tren for 6 weeks in the middle of the cycle. but still not sure.


now for pct.

wk 5-17 hcg 800ius a wk
nolvadex 40/20/20/10


no sure if i need to run an ai during cycle, i dont feel im very prone to estrogen sides but this cycle will have more compounds than before.

im researching finastride right not to deal with the dht sides.

is there any thing els i need to tweek?

[2jz_calgary]

your pct sux ass, i take it you havnt read any of the stickies. You should at least run nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50
Ive read posts where guys ran nolva only and were complaining about low libido and basically not recovering properly.

[Tarheel]

to the OP drop the tren and winny. Test and masteron should be enough to get your results given you know how to eat and train. Also your PCT is kinda weak with just nolvadex. Run the HCG throught PCTs first two weeks and throw an AI in there as well. Also if you haven't bought anything yet switch the test e for prop since you are willing to inject daily, might as well use two short esters and pin them together.

Great advice Aizen,...go with the prop and the masteron...save the others for later.

[sfour_tay]

I don't feel that I need clomid. At least with my last cycle. I ran hcg and never got shut Down. I came off fine and never really felt a crash. Never lost my lbido. Intact when I came off it seems to be better than before.

I'm want to use test e I stead of prop because of the pain. I'm an automotive tech and I'm allways working on my feet in acuward positions so muscle pain can slow me Down alot. And when I slow Down I stop making money.


Anyways I'm still tweeking as of right now
keep the critisim comeing guys.
Thanks

[Aizen Sosuke]

Ok once again forget tren. If you have it use it on the next one with some prop. For your goals you don't need to be running more than 2 compounds, it'll be a waste of money. As far as AI have it in hand and run it during your PCT along with HCG and Nolvadex.
So your PCT should look like this
Nolva 40/20/20/20
HCG 1000iu/500iu/500iu
Ldex .5/.5/.5/.5
I would personally start the HCG the last 2-3 weeks of cycle and run it through your first 2 weeks of PCT at 250iu/EOD.

[sfour_tay]

thanks aizen

back ot the drawing board ( kinda ).

ok so what about the mast. can i shoot it eod or should it really be run ed ??

[marcus300]

what were your previous 2 cycles?

No offense, bro, but you're 22....you dont' need all those drugs. no way.

you want to gain 10-15lbs?

I'm sorry, but that can be done if you know how to diet and train.

Agreed^^^^^^^