pre comp cycle cant decide

[mx3]

This is for a comp im doing next year. it is a ways off I plan on bulking for a good while before this but I like having my cutters planned out well in advance. The cycle will be 16 wks long. I have a couple options so I would like to know what you guys think. I have used every compound im proposing except the growth. view my profile for stats.

I will start the growth two months before my cycle starts and run it for the next year and i will start it at 2.5iu ed and work my way up to 4-5iu by the end of the cycle and then up it again when i start bulking after the comp. i will be using blue tops.

option one
1-16 test e 500mg ew
1-16 tren e 800mg ew
1-16 primo e 800mg ew
1-8 winny(50mg/ed) or var(80mg/ed)
1on/1off clen

option two
1-16 test e 500mg ew
1-16 tren e 800mg ew
1-16 mast e 600mg ew
1-8 winny or var
1on/1off clen
basically I cant decide between the primo or masteron and the var or winni.
I might also run dnp if I feel I need it but we will see how it goes.

[CMPD213]

This is for a comp im doing next year. it is a ways off I plan on bulking for a good while before this but I like having my cutters planned out well in advance. The cycle will be 16 wks long. I have a couple options so I would like to know what you guys think. I have used every compound im proposing except the growth. view my profile for stats.

I will start the growth two months before my cycle starts and run it for the next year and i will start it at 2.5iu ed and work my way up to 4-5iu by the end of the cycle and then up it again when i start bulking after the comp. i will be using blue tops.

option one
1-16 test e 500mg ew
1-16 tren e 800mg ew
1-16 primo e 800mg ew
1-8 winny(50mg/ed) or var(80mg/ed)
1on/1off clen

option two
1-16 test e 500mg ew
1-16 tren e 800mg ew
1-16 mast e 600mg ew
1-8 winny or var
1on/1off clen
basically I cant decide between the primo or masteron and the var or winni.
I might also run dnp if I feel I need it but we will see how it goes.

I think Mast is better for that hardened look at a cycle, and if you're running tren/test/mast you dont have to worry about losing muscle while on a low calorie diet. Also, you might want to do something like 1-12 long esters, then switch it to short esters and stop all injections 1 week out from the show, and just run an oral up until the show. You dont want any lumps/bruising/swelling or anything from an injection showing up while you're on stage. I would suggest winstrol over var too, it will help draw some extra water out. I would propose something like this.

Your way-
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg
Week 1-12 Tren E 800mg
Week 1-12 Mast E 600mg
Week 13-15 Test prop 75mg Ed
Week 13-15 Tren A 100mg Ed
Week 13-15 Mast prop 75mg Ed
Week 12-16(day of show) 100mg winstrol oral ED

My way-
Week 1-4 100mg test prop ED
Week 5-10 50mg test prop ED
Week 3-10 50mg Tren ace ED
Week 3-10 50mg Mast prop ED
Week 6-11(day of show) 100mg Oral Winstrol ED

I simply added my way because i do not think you will need to run the cycle for that long if you're on a contest diet and you're doing cardio.. Like PT's sig says "Dollar for Dollar, nothing gets you cut like diet and cardio" or something like that.

Also, i don't think clen will be needed or DNP.. If you're taking tren/mast/test and dieting for a show & still not able to get into contest shape then something is wrong with your diet. No offense. Just my 2 cents.

[Hazard]

Here is what I would do.....

1-17 Test E 500mg's
1-16 Tren E 800mg's
4-16 Mast E 700mg's/wk
1-6 Var (w/e dosage you like)
11-16 Winny 50mg/ed

It really depends on when your competition will be in your cycle..... I always like extending my test 1 week past most substances. I'm assuming you're going to be running this right up and through the comp. If the competition is week 16 - i'd run the test 17 weeks and drop everything else week 16.

I don't feel the masteron needs to be run for 16 weeks..... 12 should be good. Also, 16 weeks on tren is a LOOONG time LOL especially at 800mg's..... but if you know you can handle it..... go for it.

Lastly..... I don't think you're going to notice the primo in that cycle with tren..... so definately go with the masteron and get that "hardness" it's known for.....

~Haz~

[mx3]

I think Mast is better for that hardened look at a cycle, and if you're running tren/test/mast you dont have to worry about losing muscle while on a low calorie diet. Also, you might want to do something like 1-12 long esters, then switch it to short esters and stop all injections 1 week out from the show, and just run an oral up until the show. You dont want any lumps/bruising/swelling or anything from an injection showing up while you're on stage. I would suggest winstrol over var too, it will help draw some extra water out. I would propose something like this.

Your way-
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg
Week 1-12 Tren E 800mg
Week 1-12 Mast E 600mg
Week 13-15 Test prop 75mg Ed
Week 13-15 Tren A 100mg Ed
Week 13-15 Mast prop 75mg Ed
Week 12-16(day of show) 100mg winstrol oral ED

My way-
Week 1-4 100mg test prop ED
Week 5-10 50mg test prop ED
Week 3-10 50mg Tren ace ED
Week 3-10 50mg Mast prop ED
Week 6-11(day of show) 100mg Oral Winstrol ED

I simply added my way because i do not think you will need to run the cycle for that long if you're on a contest diet and you're doing cardio.. Like PT's sig says "Dollar for Dollar, nothing gets you cut like diet and cardio" or something like that.

Also, i don't think clen will be needed or DNP.. If you're taking tren/mast/test and dieting for a show & still not able to get into contest shape then something is wrong with your diet. No offense. Just my 2 cents.

I am open to running short esters the last couple wks till the show but not for the full cycle. the dosages I will be running are actually less than I have ran in the past so I dont want to go much lower. with that said If I run short esters I will be shooting 3cc's ed. though I have done this many times I dont want to do it for 4 months while cutting and feeling like crap all day. using long esters will allow me to shoot 2.5cc's eod and it will help with my mood.

[mx3]

Here is what I would do.....

1-17 Test E 500mg's
1-16 Tren E 800mg's
4-16 Mast E 700mg's/wk
1-6 Var (w/e dosage you like)
11-16 Winny 50mg/ed

It really depends on when your competition will be in your cycle..... I always like extending my test 1 week past most substances. I'm assuming you're going to be running this right up and through the comp. If the competition is week 16 - i'd run the test 17 weeks and drop everything else week 16.

I don't feel the masteron needs to be run for 16 weeks..... 12 should be good. Also, 16 weeks on tren is a LOOONG time LOL especially at 800mg's..... but if you know you can handle it..... go for it.

Lastly..... I don't think you're going to notice the primo in that cycle with tren..... so definately go with the masteron and get that "hardness" it's known for.....

~Haz~

I have ran tren for that long before and got over a gram a wk so i know what im in for. I think your right about the mast over primo. I have only used primo in a bulk before so I have not seen its hardening abilities much. I like your oral idea but I am concerned about running the test e through the comp date for water retention reasons.

[CMPD213]

I am open to running short esters the last couple wks till the show but not for the full cycle. the dosages I will be running are actually less than I have ran in the past so I dont want to go much lower. with that said If I run short esters I will be shooting 3cc's ed. though I have done this many times I dont want to do it for 4 months while cutting and feeling like crap all day. using long esters will allow me to shoot 2.5cc's eod and it will help with my mood.

I compltely understand that, if that is the case i would say this is a good choice for you.

Your way-
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg
Week 1-12 Tren E 800mg
Week 1-12 Mast E 600mg
Week 13-15 Test prop 75mg Ed
Week 13-15 Tren A 100mg Ed
Week 13-15 Mast prop 75mg Ed
Week 12-16(day of show) 100mg winstrol oral ED

If you wanted you could throw in 100mg anavar for week 1-6, that would really get the ball rolling on your cut.

I know that the doses are different between the Tren E/Mast E and the Tren A/Mast Prop but with the ester weight the dose actually becomes pretty darn close to being the same. Just in case you were worried about that

[Hazard]

I have ran tren for that long before and got over a gram a wk so i know what im in for. I think your right about the mast over primo. I have only used primo in a bulk before so I have not seen its hardening abilities much. I like your oral idea but I am concerned about running the test e through the comp date for water retention reasons.

No prob..... drop the test e and run prop at about week 11 or 12..... and up the AI.....

~Haz~

[mx3]

I compltely understand that, if that is the case i would say this is a good choice for you.

Your way-
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg
Week 1-12 Tren E 800mg
Week 1-12 Mast E 600mg
Week 13-15 Test prop 75mg Ed
Week 13-15 Tren A 100mg Ed
Week 13-15 Mast prop 75mg Ed
Week 12-16(day of show) 100mg winstrol oral ED

If you wanted you could throw in 100mg anavar for week 1-6, that would really get the ball rolling on your cut.

I know that the doses are different between the Tren E/Mast E and the Tren A/Mast Prop but with the ester weight the dose actually becomes pretty darn close to being the same. Just in case you were worried about that

I like that idea with the var at the beginning and winni at the end. That proposed cycle looks pretty solid I like it. I heard you can run the mast right up to the day of the comp. Im thinking of stopping everything besides the winni and mast three days before the comp. if you guys have any opinions on this let me know. now as far as the growth I have never ran growth before so Im not sure if I can run it straight through the comp into my bulker or if I will have bloat issues. Let me know if you guys have some exp with this.

[CMPD213]

I know people who run tren, mast, and winstrol straight through the show. It's almost a gamble though because if you have a bad injection that could throw off your build on stage... I myself, will be running tren, mast, and winstrol through the show.. I don't think you'll get bloated from the growth as long as you take things very slow, if you do, see if you can manipulate it with a diuretic if that doesnt work id say drop it. No point in ruining yourself with alittle bloat for a measly 2.5-4iu, safe it for when you bulk after the cycle. That bloat will help in the offseason!

[Lean1038]

Mast and Winny to answer your question.

Var is worthless IME and Masteron soley to cut down on ccs.

[mx3]

thanks for the input guys I appreciate it. I guess I will see how bad the growth bloats me. If it becomes a problem I will drop a couple wks before the show and then restart right after. I just didn't want to drop it because It takes so long to take effect It wouldn't be in full swing when I started my bulk.

[alpmaster]

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